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Swords.
by gknoy 9y ago
Swords.
- chrisseaton 9y agoI think you're still making this argument in circles. Where do you get the men and weapons to take land by force if you aren't wealthy or part of the elite?
- falsedan 9y agoI'll take transitional government techniques for 1000 karma thanks Paul. What is an armed revolt?
- chrisseaton 9y agoWhich major English land owner do you think got their land this way? If you look at how major English land owners got started it all goes back to elites being granted land by the Crown for service.
- falsedan 9y ago> Which major English land owner do you think got their land this way? Is this a trick? The Crown got all their land by conquest: the Roundheads, Normans, the Danes, the Romans, &c.
- chrisseaton 9y agoYou said revolt and now you're saying conquest which aren't the same thing. Of course the Crown got it by conquest. But nobody got land by armed revolt did they? Can you name any major land owning families in England that didn't start off by patronage? I can't think of any.
- falsedan 9y agoThe Crown. You think the exchange of property has been politely arranged through the Land Registry since the first Brython clonked his annoying boss man on the head?
- chrisseaton 9y agoMate you can't describe the Norman invasion as an 'armed revolt'. That's just not what what the word 'revolt' means. I'm talking about people except the Crown. 1066 and all that reset everything. Otherwise who's patronage would I be referring to?
- falsedan 9y agoIf you exclude all fourced transfers of ownership and only allow peaceful patronage, of course you will not see any counter-examples to your claim. You are right (in this extremely narrow claim), and you learned nothing, and wasted time defending it.
- falsedan 9y agoTurns out, it was a trick.
- pjc50 9y agoGreat Britain is unusual in having had only one successful armed revolution in the past thousand years, and the resulting theocratic dictatorship was so bad it resulted in people demanding the monarchy back. (The "glorious revolution" of 1688 contained no fighting, although it did involve foreign troops. There was a successful armed revolution in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, but this was more of a decolonisation than a class-based revolution.)