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Ugh, why do people peddle this stuff?

by knowaveragejoe 9y ago

micheljones 9y ago
It's got more proof than the fabled 'Trump-Russia' connection.
- knowaveragejoe 9y ago
  Assuming your standard for evidence is really that low, I find it disheartening that you think the connection between Trump and Russia has little or none. I'm forced to conclude that you are not weighing all the evidence for either with an open mind, and are starting from an existing conclusion on both.
  - mowenz 9y ago
    What? Has any evidence of the Russia Election Interference/Hacking become available in the public domain?
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      Yes, technical analysis by leading security firms. Malware samples from compromised networks, strongly attributable phishing campaigns.
      - mowenz 9y ago
        Can you provide a source please? Edit: I was downvoted for kindly asking for a source?
        ryanlol 9y ago
        https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ... At this point it's essentially impossible to make a credible claim that Russia did not compromise the DNC network. At best you could try to argue that they weren't the only ones to do so, but that feels like grasping at straws.
        mowenz 9y ago
        I have seen this and also the criticisms of it. I am not understanding what exactly is the definitive proof here, can you help me understand? To be fair, the criticisms were that they were hired by the DNC after the DNC dragged their feet on giving the FBI access. For some reason they gave this firm the right of way. The original report has also since been revised and had portions retracted... So it wasn't a gold standard of evidence to begin with. To be fair there are many respectable people (who are strongly anti-Trump) questioning this[1]. 1-https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/ https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidenc...
        ryanlol 9y ago
        >I am not understanding what exactly is the definitive proof here, can you help me understand? There's no definitive proof, there's evidence. This is as definitive as it gets, we've got a report by some of the best people in the field that's also been corroborated by the US DHS. I'm sure this is far better evidence than anything that exists to the contrary, people get convicted on shakier grounds every day. It is not disputable that DNC servers were infected by Russian government malware.
        mowenz 9y ago
        Why is it definitive? Are you able to help me understand that? Was the initial report they retracted more or less definitive? Remember the Iraq War was also started with lies corroborated by the US Gvt and the courts did not pose an obstacle to it... I dont care if men eith epilletes tell me so. I want to see the proof.
        ryanlol 9y ago
        >Was the initial report they retracted more or less definitive? At this point you're just trolling. >The company removed language that said Ukraine's artillery lost 80 percent of the Soviet-era D-30 howitzers, which used aiming software that purportedly was hacked. Instead, the revised report cites figures of 15 to 20 percent losses in combat operations, attributing the figures to IISS.
      - knowaveragejoe 9y ago
        To add to this, here's a comprehensive list of everything related to just the 2016 US presidential campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... Nevermind their track record interfering elsewhere. Cue the whataboutism WRT the US meddling in other's elections.
  - micheljones 9y ago
    I didn't say it's got proof. I said it's got more proof than the Russia-Trump connection.
micheljones 9y ago
http://archive.is/dENLR http://archive.is/dENLR http://archive.is/SjbhF http://archive.is/SjbhF https://our.wikileaks.org/Seth_Rich_Murder https://our.wikileaks.org/Seth_Rich_Murder https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6cox1j/seth_rich_plot_thickens_seth_rich_rundown_may_22/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6cox1j/seth_ric... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6cct6z/his_name_was_seth_rich_and_his_case_will_not_go/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6cct6z/his_name... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6coush/the_dnc_are_panicking_about_seth_rich_story/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6coush/the_dnc_... http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-seth-rich-murder-says-private-eye/#xredDjBUDfVOlY17.99http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-seth-rich-murder-says-private-eye/#4ckuU3sQ8SxlZUFm.99 http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-s... https://pastebin.com/Fz8KdLgN https://pastebin.com/Fz8KdLgN

Ugh, why do people peddle this stuff?

micheljones 9y ago

It's got more proof than the fabled 'Trump-Russia' connection.

knowaveragejoe 9y ago
Assuming your standard for evidence is really that low, I find it disheartening that you think the connection between Trump and Russia has little or none. I'm forced to conclude that you are not weighing all the evidence for either with an open mind, and are starting from an existing conclusion on both.
- mowenz 9y ago
  What? Has any evidence of the Russia Election Interference/Hacking become available in the public domain?
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    Yes, technical analysis by leading security firms. Malware samples from compromised networks, strongly attributable phishing campaigns.
    - mowenz 9y ago
      Can you provide a source please? Edit: I was downvoted for kindly asking for a source?
      - ryanlol 9y ago
        https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ... At this point it's essentially impossible to make a credible claim that Russia did not compromise the DNC network. At best you could try to argue that they weren't the only ones to do so, but that feels like grasping at straws.
        mowenz 9y ago
        I have seen this and also the criticisms of it. I am not understanding what exactly is the definitive proof here, can you help me understand? To be fair, the criticisms were that they were hired by the DNC after the DNC dragged their feet on giving the FBI access. For some reason they gave this firm the right of way. The original report has also since been revised and had portions retracted... So it wasn't a gold standard of evidence to begin with. To be fair there are many respectable people (who are strongly anti-Trump) questioning this[1]. 1-https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/ https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidenc...
        ryanlol 9y ago
        >I am not understanding what exactly is the definitive proof here, can you help me understand? There's no definitive proof, there's evidence. This is as definitive as it gets, we've got a report by some of the best people in the field that's also been corroborated by the US DHS. I'm sure this is far better evidence than anything that exists to the contrary, people get convicted on shakier grounds every day. It is not disputable that DNC servers were infected by Russian government malware.
        mowenz 9y ago
        Why is it definitive? Are you able to help me understand that? Was the initial report they retracted more or less definitive? Remember the Iraq War was also started with lies corroborated by the US Gvt and the courts did not pose an obstacle to it... I dont care if men eith epilletes tell me so. I want to see the proof.
        ryanlol 9y ago
        >Was the initial report they retracted more or less definitive? At this point you're just trolling. >The company removed language that said Ukraine's artillery lost 80 percent of the Soviet-era D-30 howitzers, which used aiming software that purportedly was hacked. Instead, the revised report cites figures of 15 to 20 percent losses in combat operations, attributing the figures to IISS.
    - knowaveragejoe 9y ago
      To add to this, here's a comprehensive list of everything related to just the 2016 US presidential campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20... Nevermind their track record interfering elsewhere. Cue the whataboutism WRT the US meddling in other's elections.
- micheljones 9y ago
  I didn't say it's got proof. I said it's got more proof than the Russia-Trump connection.

micheljones 9y ago

http://archive.is/dENLR http://archive.is/dENLR http://archive.is/SjbhF http://archive.is/SjbhF https://our.wikileaks.org/Seth_Rich_Murder https://our.wikileaks.org/Seth_Rich_Murder https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6cox1j/seth_rich_plot_thickens_seth_rich_rundown_may_22/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6cox1j/seth_ric... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6cct6z/his_name_was_seth_rich_and_his_case_will_not_go/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6cct6z/his_name... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6coush/the_dnc_are_panicking_about_seth_rich_story/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6coush/the_dnc_... http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-seth-rich-murder-says-private-eye/#xredDjBUDfVOlY17.99http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-seth-rich-murder-says-private-eye/#4ckuU3sQ8SxlZUFm.99 http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bombshell-donna-brazile-probing-s... https://pastebin.com/Fz8KdLgN https://pastebin.com/Fz8KdLgN