>other than some fictional absolutist? Like the OP who claims that all punishment is problematic? >how is this anything other than empty? As you so astutely

>other than some fictional absolutist? Like the OP who claims that all punishment is problematic? >how is this anything other than empty? As you so astutely observed, I have nothing of substance to add to that part of the discussion. Where I do have something of substance to add is with respect to an oft-repeated factual error about brain development, and a broader misconception about the problems involved in punitive measurements. For someone worried about pedantry, you sure seem to be splitting hairs.