>> Why would so many of the HN comments jump to worrying about the false accusations, without paying any heed for the victims? > What makes you think they don'

>> Why would so many of the HN comments jump to worrying about the false accusations, without paying any heed for the victims? > What makes you think they don't care about victims? I never said that anyone does or doesn't care about anyone else. I said that the words written here on HN focused on the spectre of false accusations, rather than on the victims of harassment, abuse, and worse. I also said that this is a common, much-discussed failure mode, and that we should know better. > There are personal (verbal, emotional abuse) and social (bullying) forms of abuse that hinge on slander, lies, and manipulation to punish people or to otherwise assert power. Wanting to make sure that is not an issue is wanting to protect people. Right. But in this particular instance, we're talking about wanting to protect people from those they're harassing. This list is very clearly not being used to bully anyone, and part of my objection is with the kneejerk assumption that this must be what's going on, and that privileged white men aren't getting sufficient protection in their workplace. What I am saying is, rather than restricting our consideration to fringy concerns of how this list might harm white men (it doesn't), we should also (not even exclusively! -- just also) consider how it affects everyone else. [edited for formatting]