Absolutely. The JVM is great, and JVM languages like Kotlin and Clojure. Even modern Java is a good language. I'm not arguing that Java hasn't come into its

Absolutely. The JVM is great, and JVM languages like Kotlin and Clojure. Even modern Java is a good language. I'm not arguing that Java hasn't come into its own as a good language. My point is that the Java I cut my teeth on? "Java 2"? That was bad.