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In the other thread some people mentioned that Je Kie has already lost twice, 14-7 and 13-0, to another Go bot called FineArt (by Tencent)? odd that didn't get

by lz400 9y ago

In the other thread some people mentioned that Je Kie has already lost twice, 14-7 and 13-0, to another Go bot called FineArt (by Tencent)? odd that didn't get any exposure while everyone is watching this game so attentively. Assuming this information accurate, FineArt has already proven bots are above humans, that's moot. At this point if AlphaGo loses it only makes FineArt more impressive! The real match would be Tencent vs Deepmind.

wapz 9y ago
I believe FineArt was developed after Alpha Go..
- lz400 9y ago
  Still, seems playing humans is no longer very exciting. To me at least the interesting part is whether a company like Tencent can start after AlphaGo and still produce a better product than the arguably most recognized AI group in the world.
- gcp 9y ago
  I believe Google was developed after AltaVista..
fahadkhan 9y ago
"The real match would be Tencent vs Deepmind." I really like this, as it puts into to context that there is nothing artificial about the intelligence, it is the achievement teams of people.
- psyc 9y ago
  Like there's nothing artificial about this chair I made. It's just an expression of my capacity for sitting.
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WilliamDhalgren 9y ago
Nono, you missed the REAL computer supremacy event then; it was the 50ish (!!!) games MasterP bot played in january against the field of top go professionals on some asian go servers. The bot went 50-0, crushing all opponents often in interesting ways. FineArt is among the bots that have a positive score against top professionals, yes. But it also can lose to them too. MasterP showed that a computer can completely outclass humans! After the series of games, it was revealed that MasterP is in fact AlphaGo. As far as we can tell from that series, AlphaGo is some serious ELO above other strong bots. So now the question remains - is it that dominant at longer time controls too, as those games were all quick. So that's this match.
- lz400 9y ago
  Yes I didn't know that, wow 50-0! I mean, is there any doubt at this point that it will be dominant at longer times too? and the bots don't play each other?
  - WilliamDhalgren 9y ago
    It absolutely should be dominant in a long game too. Even if it loses some of its strength at such time settings, it shouldn't lose THAT much, it was just too superhuman. The play should be interesting though; Ke Jie both had access to other strong bots in China for a long time, and could study the records of the MasterP games; maybe he tries something interesting and gets interesting responses so we all learn a bit about the nature of go (haven't watched the recording of this game yet, just woke up). There was a computer bot championship recently (UEC cup), but AlphaGo declined to participate. FineArts won, DeepZen was second. Think there's a few other chinese bots that could be stronger than Zen but didn't participate. So the real competition didn't bother to show up really.
    - lz400 9y ago
      Fascinating, thanks for the answers. The bot improvements in the last few months have been so radical I can't begin to imagine how much it must be disrupting the strategic landscape and player status.

by lz400 9y ago

wapz 9y ago

I believe FineArt was developed after Alpha Go..

lz400 9y ago
Still, seems playing humans is no longer very exciting. To me at least the interesting part is whether a company like Tencent can start after AlphaGo and still produce a better product than the arguably most recognized AI group in the world.
gcp 9y ago
I believe Google was developed after AltaVista..

fahadkhan 9y ago

"The real match would be Tencent vs Deepmind." I really like this, as it puts into to context that there is nothing artificial about the intelligence, it is the achievement teams of people.

psyc 9y ago
Like there's nothing artificial about this chair I made. It's just an expression of my capacity for sitting.
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WilliamDhalgren 9y ago

Nono, you missed the REAL computer supremacy event then; it was the 50ish (!!!) games MasterP bot played in january against the field of top go professionals on some asian go servers. The bot went 50-0, crushing all opponents often in interesting ways. FineArt is among the bots that have a positive score against top professionals, yes. But it also can lose to them too. MasterP showed that a computer can completely outclass humans! After the series of games, it was revealed that MasterP is in fact AlphaGo. As far as we can tell from that series, AlphaGo is some serious ELO above other strong bots. So now the question remains - is it that dominant at longer time controls too, as those games were all quick. So that's this match.

lz400 9y ago
Yes I didn't know that, wow 50-0! I mean, is there any doubt at this point that it will be dominant at longer times too? and the bots don't play each other?
- WilliamDhalgren 9y ago
  It absolutely should be dominant in a long game too. Even if it loses some of its strength at such time settings, it shouldn't lose THAT much, it was just too superhuman. The play should be interesting though; Ke Jie both had access to other strong bots in China for a long time, and could study the records of the MasterP games; maybe he tries something interesting and gets interesting responses so we all learn a bit about the nature of go (haven't watched the recording of this game yet, just woke up). There was a computer bot championship recently (UEC cup), but AlphaGo declined to participate. FineArts won, DeepZen was second. Think there's a few other chinese bots that could be stronger than Zen but didn't participate. So the real competition didn't bother to show up really.
  - lz400 9y ago
    Fascinating, thanks for the answers. The bot improvements in the last few months have been so radical I can't begin to imagine how much it must be disrupting the strategic landscape and player status.