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Single payer would be a great improvement on the current nightmare of American healthcare, but let's not kid ourselves that this is an incredible deal. The UK s

Single payer would be a great improvement on the current nightmare of American healthcare, but let's not kid ourselves that this is an incredible deal. The UK spent 8.5% of GDP on healthcare in 2013 (life expectancy in the UK is marginally higher than in California.) Most European countries spend around 11%.

dogma1138 9y ago
Single payer != universal health care. Single payer is likely no not work in the US, but there are plenty of other solutions out there. Europe has universal health care, not every country has single payer the UK and France do, NL and Germany do not. Also in all honesty unless you have cancer or something else which completely degenerative the NHS is garbage that no one outside of the low income brackets wants to deal with.
- DanBC 9y ago
  > the NHS is garbage that no one outside of the low income brackets wants to deal with. The various patient surveys and patient satisfaction scores disagree with you. The fact that almost no-one uses private insurance is also proof that most people like and will use the NHS, even with all the problems it has. And the numbers of people with private health insurance has reduced, not increased, since 2011.
DanBC 9y ago
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-does-uk-healthcare-spending-compare-internationally/ http://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-does-uk-healthcare-spending-com... > ONS’s new internationally-comparable “health accounts“1 show that the UK’s total healthcare spending in 2014 was £179 billion, or 9.9% of GDP. > As a percentage of GDP, the UK spent less on healthcare than USA, Japan, France and Germany and a similar percentage to Canada. The USA spent the most on healthcare as a percentage of GDP at 16.6%. And it's not all private insurance for the US. In 2014 the US government spent more than 8% GDP, compared to UKs just under 8%. > Despite less than half of the USA’s total healthcare expenditure coming from government expenditure or compulsory insurance schemes, it still spends more per person on these financing schemes than the UK- £3,111 in the USA in 2014, compared with £2,210 in the UK. In the USA spending on privately-funded healthcare is over five times more per person than in the UK. The US government spends more per person on healthcare than the UK, Canada, Italy, or the OECD average, and gets worse outcomes across a range of measures.

dogma1138 9y ago

Single payer != universal health care. Single payer is likely no not work in the US, but there are plenty of other solutions out there. Europe has universal health care, not every country has single payer the UK and France do, NL and Germany do not. Also in all honesty unless you have cancer or something else which completely degenerative the NHS is garbage that no one outside of the low income brackets wants to deal with.

DanBC 9y ago
> the NHS is garbage that no one outside of the low income brackets wants to deal with. The various patient surveys and patient satisfaction scores disagree with you. The fact that almost no-one uses private insurance is also proof that most people like and will use the NHS, even with all the problems it has. And the numbers of people with private health insurance has reduced, not increased, since 2011.

DanBC 9y ago

http://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-does-uk-healthcare-spending-compare-internationally/ http://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-does-uk-healthcare-spending-com... > ONS’s new internationally-comparable “health accounts“1 show that the UK’s total healthcare spending in 2014 was £179 billion, or 9.9% of GDP. > As a percentage of GDP, the UK spent less on healthcare than USA, Japan, France and Germany and a similar percentage to Canada. The USA spent the most on healthcare as a percentage of GDP at 16.6%. And it's not all private insurance for the US. In 2014 the US government spent more than 8% GDP, compared to UKs just under 8%. > Despite less than half of the USA’s total healthcare expenditure coming from government expenditure or compulsory insurance schemes, it still spends more per person on these financing schemes than the UK- £3,111 in the USA in 2014, compared with £2,210 in the UK. In the USA spending on privately-funded healthcare is over five times more per person than in the UK. The US government spends more per person on healthcare than the UK, Canada, Italy, or the OECD average, and gets worse outcomes across a range of measures.