It's not just that they are associated with people that can't code. Though that is definitely part of it. It's mostly that they are associated with a style of

It's not just that they are associated with people that can't code. Though that is definitely part of it. It's mostly that they are associated with a style of building systems that is considered antiquated, expensive and closed minded. This stems from a few things but I imagine the VC* (VMWare) and CISSP are probably the 2 that have contributed most to this mindset. CCN* (Cisco) could also be considered a problem but less so.