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One of the things that got me to leave was how crappy facebook has gotten for actual communication. This part of the post really resonated with me > If you’ve

One of the things that got me to leave was how crappy facebook has gotten for actual communication. This part of the post really resonated with me > If you’ve ever had that conversation, you’ve noticed that there’s a big disconnect between your expectations when you communicate on Facebook and what really happens. Basically, Facebook filters out your posts based on whether or not people will use Facebook more if they don’t see it. Too often I'd want to share or talk about something and radio silence. Checked with friends and no one saw it. Putting aside caring about privacy, why put effort into a system that over time is more and more geared to peddling crap to you and your friends, and gets in the way of actual communication.

batiudrami 9y ago
For actual communication (messaging) it is actually one of the best. It is fast, reliable, and has genuinely great value adds like group messaging, encrypted messages, expiring messages and photos, location sharing, rich attatchments, seen notifications, integration with facebook profiles means I can find anyone (who has a profile) even if I don't have their contact details. Sure the app is a bit heavy with features I don't personally use (stickers, chat heads, games, stories) but it's at the point where it's easily the best messaging client I've used.
- whyever 9y ago
  Signal has most of these features as well.
  - batiudrami 9y ago
    Sure, but Facebook Messenger has all my friends.
    - satsuma 9y ago
      This is really the crux of the matter. No matter how much a program kicks ass, if nobody uses it nobody is going to want to use it. Getting friends to switch to Telegram from Skype was a pain. Turning around and saying, after they got cozy, "hey Telegram blows, come check out Signal!" would result in rolled eyes and nothing more.
- Ntrails 9y ago
  I can't use it without installing an app on my phone, even when I force desktop (which used to work). Remember when they tried to replace email with facebook messenger? And then tried to replace text messaging/etc? If it's the best messaging client you've used, I'm bemused, because it's honestly no better than AIM was in 2002 for communicating with friends on my computer. In fact I probably find it worse most of the time.
  - batiudrami 9y ago
    Perhaps you and I have different needs. AIM didn't have any of the features I mentioned except group messaging.

batiudrami 9y ago

For actual communication (messaging) it is actually one of the best. It is fast, reliable, and has genuinely great value adds like group messaging, encrypted messages, expiring messages and photos, location sharing, rich attatchments, seen notifications, integration with facebook profiles means I can find anyone (who has a profile) even if I don't have their contact details. Sure the app is a bit heavy with features I don't personally use (stickers, chat heads, games, stories) but it's at the point where it's easily the best messaging client I've used.

whyever 9y ago
Signal has most of these features as well.
- batiudrami 9y ago
  Sure, but Facebook Messenger has all my friends.
  - satsuma 9y ago
    This is really the crux of the matter. No matter how much a program kicks ass, if nobody uses it nobody is going to want to use it. Getting friends to switch to Telegram from Skype was a pain. Turning around and saying, after they got cozy, "hey Telegram blows, come check out Signal!" would result in rolled eyes and nothing more.
Ntrails 9y ago
I can't use it without installing an app on my phone, even when I force desktop (which used to work). Remember when they tried to replace email with facebook messenger? And then tried to replace text messaging/etc? If it's the best messaging client you've used, I'm bemused, because it's honestly no better than AIM was in 2002 for communicating with friends on my computer. In fact I probably find it worse most of the time.
- batiudrami 9y ago
  Perhaps you and I have different needs. AIM didn't have any of the features I mentioned except group messaging.