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That's exactly what I think. Nobody trusts Oracle and want to move away from Java no matter what it takes. See Kotlin. I hope he creates a Kotlin/Swift evoluti

That's exactly what I think. Nobody trusts Oracle and want to move away from Java no matter what it takes. See Kotlin. I hope he creates a Kotlin/Swift evolution, I am already in love with both of them.

pjmlp 9y ago
Those of us on Java community are pleased with the work done on JavaFX, Graal, SubstractVM, JRuby, Nashorn, research on eventually add value types and improvements to generics on the JVM and support for AOT compilation. So far, Oracle has managed to push for more Java improvements than Sun was doing at the end of its history. And those devs on OpenJDK, guess who pays the majority of the salaries? Kotlin wouldn't ever been born without Java in first place, nor JetBrains would have a business.
- electricEmu 9y ago
  JetBrains does a lot in the .NET world too. They'd still have a business. Developers trusted Sun much more than Oracle with Java. Java wouldn't have been born without developers and an open ecosystem. Now, Oracle might not have a business if they destroy trust with Java.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    First of all, JetBrains IDEs run all on top of Java, except for the Visual Studio plugins they also develop. Second, while it is great that .NET is now open source, the libraries that would allow for something like InteliJ to be build across multiple OSes aren't quite there yet. Finally I was actually referring to the fact, which I hate to see done by some in new languages that target JVM communities, is spiting on the plate that gives them food. Without the JVM those languages wouldn't even exist in first place. Yes Sun had a more engineering friendly culture than Oracle has, but they also did tons of missteps. Specially in what concerns making Java appealing for the desktop, something that for incredibly as it may sound, has been better handled by Oracle.
  - cat199 9y ago
    IBM is a pretty good check on any theoretical Oracle crazyness in the java arena via the JCP and is very invested in java.. I wouldn't be too worried here.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      They seem pretty keen in turning J9 into a multi-language VM and pushing Swift on GNU/Linux and their other OSes.

pjmlp 9y ago

Those of us on Java community are pleased with the work done on JavaFX, Graal, SubstractVM, JRuby, Nashorn, research on eventually add value types and improvements to generics on the JVM and support for AOT compilation. So far, Oracle has managed to push for more Java improvements than Sun was doing at the end of its history. And those devs on OpenJDK, guess who pays the majority of the salaries? Kotlin wouldn't ever been born without Java in first place, nor JetBrains would have a business.

electricEmu 9y ago
JetBrains does a lot in the .NET world too. They'd still have a business. Developers trusted Sun much more than Oracle with Java. Java wouldn't have been born without developers and an open ecosystem. Now, Oracle might not have a business if they destroy trust with Java.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  First of all, JetBrains IDEs run all on top of Java, except for the Visual Studio plugins they also develop. Second, while it is great that .NET is now open source, the libraries that would allow for something like InteliJ to be build across multiple OSes aren't quite there yet. Finally I was actually referring to the fact, which I hate to see done by some in new languages that target JVM communities, is spiting on the plate that gives them food. Without the JVM those languages wouldn't even exist in first place. Yes Sun had a more engineering friendly culture than Oracle has, but they also did tons of missteps. Specially in what concerns making Java appealing for the desktop, something that for incredibly as it may sound, has been better handled by Oracle.
- cat199 9y ago
  IBM is a pretty good check on any theoretical Oracle crazyness in the java arena via the JCP and is very invested in java.. I wouldn't be too worried here.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    They seem pretty keen in turning J9 into a multi-language VM and pushing Swift on GNU/Linux and their other OSes.