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Doesn't seem that hard to mix the two. We know a route from X to Y is $miles . Detours happen, but Google is getting to the point of calculating realtime incid

by kefka 9y ago

Doesn't seem that hard to mix the two. We know a route from X to Y is $miles . Detours happen, but Google is getting to the point of calculating realtime incidents. But time could be fairly compensated, as could the miles on a vehicle. If you took a way longer route, it's on you. But if you're traffic jammed, it's not your fault, and should fairly be compensated. You know, that's what Unions are for.

Spooky23 9y ago
Unions fixed this issue a long time ago. Then Reagan de-regulated and lots of companies from right to work states moved in and killed the market. The union shops like Yellow Freight mostly operate in blue states and are profitable.
- moriarty-s3a 9y ago
  Trucking deregulation occurred between 1978-1980 during the Carter administration. Plus, the way it was regulated makes modern regulatory capture look consumer friendly. If you wanted to start a trucking company, you had to submit a business plan with a list of committed customers and already set in stone pricing. The Feds would literally hand your plan to everyone with a route in the region, give them a few months to review it and then your potential competitors got to vote on whether you should be allowed to operate that route. Predictably, it was basically just outsourced sales for the exiting companies.
jpttsn 9y ago
It's not the trucker's fault they're traffic jammed. Does that mean it's their employer's fault?
- kefka 9y ago
  It's not the employee's fault if a restaurant is "dead" for an evening. But the employees are required to be there, and thusly, are paid. Same here. If the truck driver was free to go home, or whatever, sure dont pay them. But traffic jams are in transit between places they are told to go. It doesn't have to be the "fault" of the employer. But the employee is captive, and working, and absolutely should be paid with regards to time.
  - jpttsn 9y ago
    From the employee perspective that makes sense. You articulate why they should be paid. But is that enough? I think you have to reason about the other side of the equation, where someone has to pay you. It rains. I have to walk to work I the rain. I should get compensated. But is my employer on the hook, to give me the happiness I would've had if it hadn't been raining?

by kefka 9y ago

Spooky23 9y ago

Unions fixed this issue a long time ago. Then Reagan de-regulated and lots of companies from right to work states moved in and killed the market. The union shops like Yellow Freight mostly operate in blue states and are profitable.

moriarty-s3a 9y ago
Trucking deregulation occurred between 1978-1980 during the Carter administration. Plus, the way it was regulated makes modern regulatory capture look consumer friendly. If you wanted to start a trucking company, you had to submit a business plan with a list of committed customers and already set in stone pricing. The Feds would literally hand your plan to everyone with a route in the region, give them a few months to review it and then your potential competitors got to vote on whether you should be allowed to operate that route. Predictably, it was basically just outsourced sales for the exiting companies.

jpttsn 9y ago

It's not the trucker's fault they're traffic jammed. Does that mean it's their employer's fault?

kefka 9y ago
It's not the employee's fault if a restaurant is "dead" for an evening. But the employees are required to be there, and thusly, are paid. Same here. If the truck driver was free to go home, or whatever, sure dont pay them. But traffic jams are in transit between places they are told to go. It doesn't have to be the "fault" of the employer. But the employee is captive, and working, and absolutely should be paid with regards to time.
- jpttsn 9y ago
  From the employee perspective that makes sense. You articulate why they should be paid. But is that enough? I think you have to reason about the other side of the equation, where someone has to pay you. It rains. I have to walk to work I the rain. I should get compensated. But is my employer on the hook, to give me the happiness I would've had if it hadn't been raining?