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I don't think it's really wrong to consider what responsibility a victim has in their fate. If you know that touching a kettle with a barehand may burn you, you

I don't think it's really wrong to consider what responsibility a victim has in their fate. If you know that touching a kettle with a barehand may burn you, you are to blame when the kettle burns you when you touch it! You can blame the kettle, as children do, but it's not helpful, so we teach and learn not to touch it. The kettle doesn't have agency, but I suspect that for many who 'victim blame' they see crime, disasters etc as forces of nature that don't really make sense to blame as we can't readily change them, but can predict them. Few blame babies for the mishaps they encounter because they do not know better. At some point, this changes. We can and do try to control our environment to prevent these incidences where we can, but in many ways it is wiser to prepare ourselves. Don't pave the road, wear shoes...etc etc. Revenge porn is a well known tactic. I'd be surprised if she didn't pause to consider the ramifications when the media was made. As per your example, I think it depends on what she knew apriori... if she could reasonably assume that he was a psychopath who may murder and she dated him and broke up with him anyway, we'd probably give her some share of the blame. From another example, If you walk through a war zone knowing it's a war zone, maybe it's stupid to blame the soldier who shoots you?

mattnewton 9y ago
I want to live in a world with more "paved roads" and "seatbelt measures", even if it makes Facebook's job harder.
wordupmaking 9y ago
I wanted to reply to the original response which is now dead so I can't respond to it, but I think it fits here as well: The point would be the same if he had taken those photos/videos without her knowledge. What'd be the suggestion then? Don't ever have sex in a room you didn't search thoroughly, and if you have to go to the bathroom, ask your partner to leave the room first, lock the door, have them wait while you're in the bathroom, and then go back in? > I mean imagine a case where this guy found her bosses and family's phone number and texted the image to her family? Does that then become AT&T's problem to go in there and clean up those images and moderate them? Facebook wants to see my ID after 9 years of membership and 100+ RL friends, just because some random clowns who sure as fuck didn't show their ID probably don't like my political views, and how good I'm at expressing them. So something like that is their problem, some random people clicking on "fake profile" or whatever and then they just HAVE my papers, and pronto. But a pretty clear cut case of revenge porn, not touching that with a barge pole? Heh. Stuff like that makes it clear Facebook isn't an utility like mail or roads, and isn't even trying. And you can't be half pregnant with this. The "life decisions" people make are kind of orthogonal to that.
harryf 9y ago
Not sure kettle is the right analogy here. It's too simplistic. As a product Facebook is vastly more complex beast, and the argument is much more naunced. Many feel compelled to use Facebook. 99.99% didn't read the Terms and Conditions (and BTW that's by design) and aren't aware, for example, what Facebook is allowed to do with their content. Most aren't aware that it's not in Facebooks interest to make it easy for you to report revenge porn; it's costly for them requiring manual review and against their general principle that all your content is theirs and will be stored forever. And that's just for starters

mattnewton 9y ago

I want to live in a world with more "paved roads" and "seatbelt measures", even if it makes Facebook's job harder.

wordupmaking 9y ago

I wanted to reply to the original response which is now dead so I can't respond to it, but I think it fits here as well: The point would be the same if he had taken those photos/videos without her knowledge. What'd be the suggestion then? Don't ever have sex in a room you didn't search thoroughly, and if you have to go to the bathroom, ask your partner to leave the room first, lock the door, have them wait while you're in the bathroom, and then go back in? > I mean imagine a case where this guy found her bosses and family's phone number and texted the image to her family? Does that then become AT&T's problem to go in there and clean up those images and moderate them? Facebook wants to see my ID after 9 years of membership and 100+ RL friends, just because some random clowns who sure as fuck didn't show their ID probably don't like my political views, and how good I'm at expressing them. So something like that is their problem, some random people clicking on "fake profile" or whatever and then they just HAVE my papers, and pronto. But a pretty clear cut case of revenge porn, not touching that with a barge pole? Heh. Stuff like that makes it clear Facebook isn't an utility like mail or roads, and isn't even trying. And you can't be half pregnant with this. The "life decisions" people make are kind of orthogonal to that.

harryf 9y ago

Not sure kettle is the right analogy here. It's too simplistic. As a product Facebook is vastly more complex beast, and the argument is much more naunced. Many feel compelled to use Facebook. 99.99% didn't read the Terms and Conditions (and BTW that's by design) and aren't aware, for example, what Facebook is allowed to do with their content. Most aren't aware that it's not in Facebooks interest to make it easy for you to report revenge porn; it's costly for them requiring manual review and against their general principle that all your content is theirs and will be stored forever. And that's just for starters