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Island nations of the pacific are another example in addition to already posted ones http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/global-warming-tho

by mikkom 9y ago

Island nations of the pacific are another example in addition to already posted ones http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/global-warming-thousands-flee-pacific-islands-on-front-line-of-climate-change-a6757796.html http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/glob... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/14/pacific-nations-beg-for-help-for-islanders-when-calamity-of-climate-change-hits https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/14/pacific-...

GlobalChange 9y ago
What does it have to do with CO2? Those islands weren't even there a couple of hundred thousand years ago, what's to say they will always be there. Nature is not static! The plaques will move anyway and those islands will disappear regardless. Now if we really want to make the debate better, let's take aside the causes for a minute, and someone please tell me what they are going to do with those people. Nature does not know political frontiers, color, gender, age. The poorest people (at least half of the planet population, being generous) are the one who will suffer. The one already without air conditioning, or access to electricity or drinkable water, or a hot bath by the turn of a tap. Those people are the ones that will be most affected by changes in climate (that are natural and will come and there's nothing we can do about it). But all those crying about global warming and and useless carbon agreements and bullshit international protocols by defunct international organizations (whose main objective is to keep their useless existence and fancy and useless jobs alive). Who in those privileged countries are going to receive those people? Are people in Australia receiving those inhabitants of Vanuatu? Is the US receiving those of Samoa? Because that is the real discussion and anyone ignoring that are just deceiving themselves. No matter how much CO2 you put or take from the atmosphere, it won't change Earth's temperature and its natural shifts. It's not I saying. Those are the laws of Physics. Anyone wants to introduce new physics, be my guest, but it has to work today, tomorrow, in the past, here, and on the other side of the universe. The physics of the cherry farm does not work. The real discussion, on which time, money, and efforts should be employed are on those questions. How to make "the transition" better for everyone. We will have to learn to work as one (regardless of gender, color, origin, political or religion view). If we cannot be real Humans, with capital H, well, I just hope the "doomsday-climate-change" comes as soon as possible, because we are not worth of walking this planet anyway.

by mikkom 9y ago

GlobalChange 9y ago

What does it have to do with CO2? Those islands weren't even there a couple of hundred thousand years ago, what's to say they will always be there. Nature is not static! The plaques will move anyway and those islands will disappear regardless. Now if we really want to make the debate better, let's take aside the causes for a minute, and someone please tell me what they are going to do with those people. Nature does not know political frontiers, color, gender, age. The poorest people (at least half of the planet population, being generous) are the one who will suffer. The one already without air conditioning, or access to electricity or drinkable water, or a hot bath by the turn of a tap. Those people are the ones that will be most affected by changes in climate (that are natural and will come and there's nothing we can do about it). But all those crying about global warming and and useless carbon agreements and bullshit international protocols by defunct international organizations (whose main objective is to keep their useless existence and fancy and useless jobs alive). Who in those privileged countries are going to receive those people? Are people in Australia receiving those inhabitants of Vanuatu? Is the US receiving those of Samoa? Because that is the real discussion and anyone ignoring that are just deceiving themselves. No matter how much CO2 you put or take from the atmosphere, it won't change Earth's temperature and its natural shifts. It's not I saying. Those are the laws of Physics. Anyone wants to introduce new physics, be my guest, but it has to work today, tomorrow, in the past, here, and on the other side of the universe. The physics of the cherry farm does not work. The real discussion, on which time, money, and efforts should be employed are on those questions. How to make "the transition" better for everyone. We will have to learn to work as one (regardless of gender, color, origin, political or religion view). If we cannot be real Humans, with capital H, well, I just hope the "doomsday-climate-change" comes as soon as possible, because we are not worth of walking this planet anyway.