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But your argument basically boils down to: Stop using the operating system where everything works: apps, games, hardware, good office package, etc.; rather use

by jvdl 9y ago

But your argument basically boils down to: Stop using the operating system where everything works: apps, games, hardware, good office package, etc.; rather use an operating system on which debugging to a layman translates to a plane of hell itself, where your hardware may or may not work, and half your game library certainly won't. I would happily switch to Linux permanently the day the flagship office package UI doesn't resemble Office 97 (the ribbon UI is absolutely fantastic in MS Office), I can get all of my games to work, and I don't need to recompile a kernel to get something as basic as a graphics driver running.

jhasse 9y ago
> the flagship office package UI doesn't resemble Office 97 (the ribbon UI is absolutely fantastic in MS Office) It's being worked on: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/how-to-enable-libreoffice-ribbon-notebook-bar http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/how-to-enable-libreoffice... > I can get all of my games to work Many games don't port to Linux until all users have switched. It's a chicken-egg problem :( > I don't need to recompile a kernel to get something as basic as a graphics driver running. You already don't need to do that. Intel and AMD's open-source drivers are included in the kernel and nVidia's driver can be installed without recompiling the kernel.
- viraptor 9y ago
  The games are getting better. Just over half of my steam library works at the moment. Not sure when it happened but over the last 2 years I noticed more and more things being available. It's no longer just low quality indie stuff.
  - jhasse 9y ago
    If any Blizzard game would be ported, that would truly be a milestone (StarCraft 2 with WINE is a lot slower on my machine). Also many games require nVidia drivers or AMD's open source driver (e.g. Life is strange). I'm using a 144 Hz monitor and therefore need touse AMDGPU Pro (AMDGPU has a bug with >120 Hz: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93826 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93826 ). But you're right: It's getting better :) For example Rocket League and Dota 2 work great.
Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
Your comment is uninformed garbage. There's no nice way to say it. >But your argument basically boils down to: No, it doesn't. >I would happily switch to Linux permanently the day the flagship office package UI doesn't resemble Office 97 (the ribbon UI is absolutely fantastic in MS Office), I can get all of my games to work, and I don't need to recompile a kernel to get something as basic as a graphics driver running. So you'll take invasive, impossible to disable tracking, forced "upgrades", and worse, because the document editor doens't have a fucking ribbon? First, that's ridiculous, second, you can run MS Office on Wine, third, you can change the appearance of LibreOffice. You can't run Breath of the Wild on Windows and that doesn't seem to bother you. Different platforms have different games. Get over it. Unlike most platforms, Linux has projects like Wine to make it so non-portable games have a chance! You don't have to recompile the kernel to get graphics drivers to work. Have you even tried Linux? Don't talk shit about things you don't have any knowledge of. I'll just file you into the "change resistant and lying to themselves" category of Windows user.
- sctb 9y ago
  > Your comment is uninformed garbage. There's no nice way to say it. Please just leave it out, then. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    Often these polices are too in favor of letting ignorant comments go unrefuted.
    - sctb 9y ago
      Your refutations are both weaker and discussion-worsening when you call names and are personally thorny. The guidelines are here so we can have more civil and insightful discussions.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
davidgerard 9y ago
Here is your ribbon, sir. See you on the light side! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar

by jvdl 9y ago

jhasse 9y ago

> the flagship office package UI doesn't resemble Office 97 (the ribbon UI is absolutely fantastic in MS Office) It's being worked on: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/how-to-enable-libreoffice-ribbon-notebook-bar http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/how-to-enable-libreoffice... > I can get all of my games to work Many games don't port to Linux until all users have switched. It's a chicken-egg problem :( > I don't need to recompile a kernel to get something as basic as a graphics driver running. You already don't need to do that. Intel and AMD's open-source drivers are included in the kernel and nVidia's driver can be installed without recompiling the kernel.

viraptor 9y ago
The games are getting better. Just over half of my steam library works at the moment. Not sure when it happened but over the last 2 years I noticed more and more things being available. It's no longer just low quality indie stuff.
- jhasse 9y ago
  If any Blizzard game would be ported, that would truly be a milestone (StarCraft 2 with WINE is a lot slower on my machine). Also many games require nVidia drivers or AMD's open source driver (e.g. Life is strange). I'm using a 144 Hz monitor and therefore need touse AMDGPU Pro (AMDGPU has a bug with >120 Hz: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93826 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93826 ). But you're right: It's getting better :) For example Rocket League and Dota 2 work great.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago

Your comment is uninformed garbage. There's no nice way to say it. >But your argument basically boils down to: No, it doesn't. >I would happily switch to Linux permanently the day the flagship office package UI doesn't resemble Office 97 (the ribbon UI is absolutely fantastic in MS Office), I can get all of my games to work, and I don't need to recompile a kernel to get something as basic as a graphics driver running. So you'll take invasive, impossible to disable tracking, forced "upgrades", and worse, because the document editor doens't have a fucking ribbon? First, that's ridiculous, second, you can run MS Office on Wine, third, you can change the appearance of LibreOffice. You can't run Breath of the Wild on Windows and that doesn't seem to bother you. Different platforms have different games. Get over it. Unlike most platforms, Linux has projects like Wine to make it so non-portable games have a chance! You don't have to recompile the kernel to get graphics drivers to work. Have you even tried Linux? Don't talk shit about things you don't have any knowledge of. I'll just file you into the "change resistant and lying to themselves" category of Windows user.

sctb 9y ago
> Your comment is uninformed garbage. There's no nice way to say it. Please just leave it out, then. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  Often these polices are too in favor of letting ignorant comments go unrefuted.
  - sctb 9y ago
    Your refutations are both weaker and discussion-worsening when you call names and are personally thorny. The guidelines are here so we can have more civil and insightful discussions.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago

davidgerard 9y ago

Here is your ribbon, sir. See you on the light side! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar