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You know, I gotta admit, as someone who rather likes Kotlin, even I'm getting a little exhausted with all the breathless Kotlin articles...

hoodoof 9y ago
New languages need alot of fuel to reach escape veolcity.
- zzalpha 9y ago
  Eh, with Google's backing, I'd say it has reached liftoff. So far these feel like articles to attract page clicks... The substance has been seriously lacking.
  - Larrikin 9y ago
    Lately few haven't been worth reading but it's nice seeing the language get recognition, hopefully there will be more job postings calling for Kotlin
  - jacques_chester 9y ago
    > Eh, with Google's backing, I'd say it has reached liftoff. Like Dart?
    - zzalpha 9y ago
      Hah, touche!
    - Cthulhu_ 9y ago
      Dart really deflated after it was announced it wouldn't get native support in browsers (next to JS), and energy was instead diverted to WebAssembly. It might still get a revival some years down the road with Fucsia, but we're a long way away from that - plus it would still have an Android compatibility layer I'm sure.
    - tkubacki 9y ago
      Dart is still better lang than JS and AngualarDart offers much better dev experience compared to React and Angular + TS (I tried all of them). Big Google apps (Ads UI) are written in Dart. Try it out and make your own opinion https://webdev.dartlang.org/angular/ https://webdev.dartlang.org/angular/ New life will come to Dart when fast Dart to JS compiler (so called DDC) will be released.
- ethbro 9y ago
  Technically, Kotlin uses a recovered and reflown first stage.
- bbcbasic 9y ago
  Hypetrogen
throwaway7645 9y ago
Is it really that great? Seems like Swift for the JVM. Sure it's great, but there are a lot of similar things out there.
- guelo 9y ago
  Fun fact, swift took some of its early inspiration from kotlin.
  - virtualwhys 9y ago
    and a large part of Kotlin's inspiration is directly copied from Scala (data classes, val, var, pattern matching, sealed classes, type param on right, tuple destructuring assignment, type aliases, etc., etc.). It would be far more accurate to say that Swift took inspiration from Scala (and Scala from ML, Smalltalk, Haskell, etc.)
    - Noseshine 9y ago
      And everybody takes inspiration for everything from somebody else and it can all be traced back to ancient Babylon, Greece and Rome. Yes we get it, nothing is an original idea. Thought experiment: To be truly "original" a child that grew up with wolves in the jungle would have to come up with it (okay, not even that since it learns from the wolves). Everything else is "not truly original". Duh. Now that we have established that no truly "original" ideas exist in any human's head (assuming "original" means going from totally empty, nothingness, to the idea), can we just get rid of all comments pointing out that X didn't really invent Y but was inspired by P? Of course, what I just wrote isn't original in the slightest, I just don't know the names of all the people who said it before.
      - virtualwhys 9y ago
        Well, no, Scala took inspiration from various languages of decades past and combined them together into an modern OO/FP hybrid. Kotlin copied Scala directly, renaming `def` to `fun`, `case` to `data` and so on. There's a big difference between creating and copying. Anyway, in hindsight it was a great idea to cherry pick from Scala as the language seems poised for much bigger things (i.e. potentially becoming a mainstream language).

hoodoof 9y ago

New languages need alot of fuel to reach escape veolcity.

zzalpha 9y ago
Eh, with Google's backing, I'd say it has reached liftoff. So far these feel like articles to attract page clicks... The substance has been seriously lacking.
- Larrikin 9y ago
  Lately few haven't been worth reading but it's nice seeing the language get recognition, hopefully there will be more job postings calling for Kotlin
- jacques_chester 9y ago
  > Eh, with Google's backing, I'd say it has reached liftoff. Like Dart?
  - zzalpha 9y ago
    Hah, touche!
  - Cthulhu_ 9y ago
    Dart really deflated after it was announced it wouldn't get native support in browsers (next to JS), and energy was instead diverted to WebAssembly. It might still get a revival some years down the road with Fucsia, but we're a long way away from that - plus it would still have an Android compatibility layer I'm sure.
  - tkubacki 9y ago
    Dart is still better lang than JS and AngualarDart offers much better dev experience compared to React and Angular + TS (I tried all of them). Big Google apps (Ads UI) are written in Dart. Try it out and make your own opinion https://webdev.dartlang.org/angular/ https://webdev.dartlang.org/angular/ New life will come to Dart when fast Dart to JS compiler (so called DDC) will be released.
ethbro 9y ago
Technically, Kotlin uses a recovered and reflown first stage.
bbcbasic 9y ago
Hypetrogen

throwaway7645 9y ago

Is it really that great? Seems like Swift for the JVM. Sure it's great, but there are a lot of similar things out there.

guelo 9y ago
Fun fact, swift took some of its early inspiration from kotlin.
- virtualwhys 9y ago
  and a large part of Kotlin's inspiration is directly copied from Scala (data classes, val, var, pattern matching, sealed classes, type param on right, tuple destructuring assignment, type aliases, etc., etc.). It would be far more accurate to say that Swift took inspiration from Scala (and Scala from ML, Smalltalk, Haskell, etc.)
  - Noseshine 9y ago
    And everybody takes inspiration for everything from somebody else and it can all be traced back to ancient Babylon, Greece and Rome. Yes we get it, nothing is an original idea. Thought experiment: To be truly "original" a child that grew up with wolves in the jungle would have to come up with it (okay, not even that since it learns from the wolves). Everything else is "not truly original". Duh. Now that we have established that no truly "original" ideas exist in any human's head (assuming "original" means going from totally empty, nothingness, to the idea), can we just get rid of all comments pointing out that X didn't really invent Y but was inspired by P? Of course, what I just wrote isn't original in the slightest, I just don't know the names of all the people who said it before.
    - virtualwhys 9y ago
      Well, no, Scala took inspiration from various languages of decades past and combined them together into an modern OO/FP hybrid. Kotlin copied Scala directly, renaming `def` to `fun`, `case` to `data` and so on. There's a big difference between creating and copying. Anyway, in hindsight it was a great idea to cherry pick from Scala as the language seems poised for much bigger things (i.e. potentially becoming a mainstream language).