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I'm sure Apple pays enough for their employees to pay for daycare if they need it. I don't really think taking care of kids is my employer's business.

david-gpu 9y ago
How is it any different from any of the other perks that Apple and other similar employers provide? I don't really think having a cafeteria/gym/shuttle is my employer's business.
- thescribe 9y ago
  I suspect if there was enough demand for daycare as a perk it would be provided. People who work for apple frequently have the option of going elsewhere, so it might be fair to assume they're at least ambivalent on the perk of daycare as a group?
- raarts 9y ago
  The employers obviously think otherwise.
m-j-fox 9y ago
I wouldn't say no if my employer wanted to run a daycare in the building. It would save me some hassles dropping my kid off and dealing with emergencies. But they don't. And as far as I know, no one does. Not in Silicon Valley. Not anywhere else. Am I wrong?
- santaclaus 9y ago
  SAS (which I believe Google modeled their early benefits packages on) in the RTP has onsite daycare.
- s0rce 9y ago
  Doesn't Cisco have a daycare?
  - m-j-fox 9y ago
    It looks like they do. But don't get excited because it's off-campus. How is that better than any other daycare in Milpitas? http://child-care-preschool.brighthorizons.com/ca/milpitas/cisco/our-center/ http://child-care-preschool.brighthorizons.com/ca/milpitas/c...
Apocryphon 9y ago
And yet, how the employee gets to and from work (shuttles), where the employee eats during the day (cafeterias), if the employee is fit and healthy (gyms, wellness centers) are all within the purview of corporate empires like Apple. It's only a matter of time.
- cperciva 9y ago
  Transportation, food, and health/fitness services are benefits to the Apple employee. Childcare is a benefit to all the parents of the child - in most cases, only one of which is an Apple employee.
  - raarts 9y ago
    And for that employee it is most likely more important than a shuttle.
  - learc83 9y ago
    Transportation, food etc... benefit the entire family the same way childcare does because most families mix their finances. For childcare, the benefit to the non-apple parent is financial plus whatever benefit they get from making it more convenient for the apple parent to drop off their kid for daycare. For transportation, the benefit for a non apple family members is financial plus whatever benefit they get from making it more convenient for the apple employee to get to work.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      >Transportation, food etc... benefit the entire family the same way childcare does because most families mix their finances. They are not meant as services to boost the family finances though -- but to keep them at the company premises more.
      - learc83 9y ago
        How does that affect the OP's comment that I was replying to? > Childcare is a benefit to all the parents of the child - in most cases, only one of which is an Apple employee.
cperciva 9y ago
Indeed. And if it was an employer's responsibility to care for employees' children: Which employer? Most children have two parents; why should the employer of one parent pay to care for their children while the employer of the other parent doesn't? Of course, the article answers this question with the assertion that children are a woman's responsibility; Apple's male employees are cavalierly dismissed as "not exactly breeders", which must be one of the harshest judgments I've ever heard applied to such a large group. It seems to me that the attitude that fathers have no place in the lives of their children is a much bigger problem than the question of whether Apple employees have on-campus or off-campus child care.
- vacri 9y ago
  > Apple's male employees are cavalierly dismissed as "not exactly breeders", which must be one of the harshest judgments I've ever heard applied to such a large group. 'Harshest judgments'... have you been on the internet? In any case, her point was not "Apple male employees are dorks", but that "25-year-old tech bros are not breeders... yet". The 'yet' is in her comment. She was saying those kinds of men aren't up for being fathers now, but will be later. > It seems to me that the attitude that fathers have no place in the lives of their children is a much bigger problem than the question of whether Apple employees have on-campus or off-campus child care. The very next two paragraphs talk about these same men wanting daycare for their eventual offspring, and being able to find it at Google. Apart from saying the parenting burden falls disproportionately on mothers, the article makes no suggestion that fathers are lesser parents.

david-gpu 9y ago

How is it any different from any of the other perks that Apple and other similar employers provide? I don't really think having a cafeteria/gym/shuttle is my employer's business.

thescribe 9y ago
I suspect if there was enough demand for daycare as a perk it would be provided. People who work for apple frequently have the option of going elsewhere, so it might be fair to assume they're at least ambivalent on the perk of daycare as a group?
raarts 9y ago
The employers obviously think otherwise.

m-j-fox 9y ago

I wouldn't say no if my employer wanted to run a daycare in the building. It would save me some hassles dropping my kid off and dealing with emergencies. But they don't. And as far as I know, no one does. Not in Silicon Valley. Not anywhere else. Am I wrong?

santaclaus 9y ago
SAS (which I believe Google modeled their early benefits packages on) in the RTP has onsite daycare.
s0rce 9y ago
Doesn't Cisco have a daycare?
- m-j-fox 9y ago
  It looks like they do. But don't get excited because it's off-campus. How is that better than any other daycare in Milpitas? http://child-care-preschool.brighthorizons.com/ca/milpitas/cisco/our-center/ http://child-care-preschool.brighthorizons.com/ca/milpitas/c...

Apocryphon 9y ago

And yet, how the employee gets to and from work (shuttles), where the employee eats during the day (cafeterias), if the employee is fit and healthy (gyms, wellness centers) are all within the purview of corporate empires like Apple. It's only a matter of time.

cperciva 9y ago
Transportation, food, and health/fitness services are benefits to the Apple employee. Childcare is a benefit to all the parents of the child - in most cases, only one of which is an Apple employee.
- raarts 9y ago
  And for that employee it is most likely more important than a shuttle.
- learc83 9y ago
  Transportation, food etc... benefit the entire family the same way childcare does because most families mix their finances. For childcare, the benefit to the non-apple parent is financial plus whatever benefit they get from making it more convenient for the apple parent to drop off their kid for daycare. For transportation, the benefit for a non apple family members is financial plus whatever benefit they get from making it more convenient for the apple employee to get to work.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >Transportation, food etc... benefit the entire family the same way childcare does because most families mix their finances. They are not meant as services to boost the family finances though -- but to keep them at the company premises more.
    - learc83 9y ago
      How does that affect the OP's comment that I was replying to? > Childcare is a benefit to all the parents of the child - in most cases, only one of which is an Apple employee.

cperciva 9y ago

Indeed. And if it was an employer's responsibility to care for employees' children: Which employer? Most children have two parents; why should the employer of one parent pay to care for their children while the employer of the other parent doesn't? Of course, the article answers this question with the assertion that children are a woman's responsibility; Apple's male employees are cavalierly dismissed as "not exactly breeders", which must be one of the harshest judgments I've ever heard applied to such a large group. It seems to me that the attitude that fathers have no place in the lives of their children is a much bigger problem than the question of whether Apple employees have on-campus or off-campus child care.

vacri 9y ago
> Apple's male employees are cavalierly dismissed as "not exactly breeders", which must be one of the harshest judgments I've ever heard applied to such a large group. 'Harshest judgments'... have you been on the internet? In any case, her point was not "Apple male employees are dorks", but that "25-year-old tech bros are not breeders... yet". The 'yet' is in her comment. She was saying those kinds of men aren't up for being fathers now, but will be later. > It seems to me that the attitude that fathers have no place in the lives of their children is a much bigger problem than the question of whether Apple employees have on-campus or off-campus child care. The very next two paragraphs talk about these same men wanting daycare for their eventual offspring, and being able to find it at Google. Apart from saying the parenting burden falls disproportionately on mothers, the article makes no suggestion that fathers are lesser parents.