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As someone who was peripherally involved in this field I'm very glad this history of science was recorded and hope the author repeats the analysis for the conte
by yodon 9y ago
As someone who was peripherally involved in this field I'm very glad this history of science was recorded and hope the author repeats the analysis for the context around the Ligo project.
When I was in grad school getting my PhD in Physics, I was interested in doing gravity wave searches for high frequency gravity waves using arrays of small, inexpensive, cryogenically cooled Weber bars. This was at the time when Ligo was being built to search for much lower frequency waves at much higher costs.
I found the sociology around both the Weber and Ligo work fascinating then and in hindsight, and I personally ascribe the complex sociology to the incredible difficulty of these incredibly sensitive experiments. Detecting gravity waves is one of the hardest experiments an experimental physicist can attempt (numbers like 10^-23 and 10^-51 are not uncommon to encounter in your sensitivity calculations, for example, and it doesn't really matter what units you're talking about if you're trying to measure something with 10^-51 in it, it's going to be incredibly difficult). My read was and is that the physics community understands the risks these researchers are taking to their careers by engaging in experiments of this incredible difficulty and cuts them slack or gives them an underlying cushion of respect for what they are doing because everyone knows they are probably going to fail and it is ultimately likely to be a fall on your sword effort for the benefit of trying to advance a very difficult aspect of our knowledge.
I can attest to the author's observations of the complexity of the continued respect for Weber even in the context of complete and universal disregard for his experimental results. He wasn't viewed as a crank or a laughing stock, even though everyone knew the story of finding a spurious signal in data that he'd failed to correct for differences in time zones between detectors. It was much closer to someone you respect very much who one day hooked his laptop up to the projector in the board room, opened it, and accidentally projected weird disturbing porn on the screen by mistake. He screwed up, everyone knew that, but he was still respected for all the other work he had done and no one took any joy or mirth in his screwup, nor did they really want to talk about it or bring it up (I suspect I spent more time poking around the historical periphery of Weber bars than most anyone other than the author of this paper, because I was seriously considering treading into this field and placing myself at risk of doing a very very hard experiment, with the added factor that I was proposing to go after high frequency gravity waves of a sort no one in the physics community had a source type in mind for, so it would have been doubly risky, a hard experiment looking for a signal that probably wasn't there but that I felt should still be looked for, if only to place a limit on the magnitude of the background).
I mentioned hoping the author writes a similar paper on Ligo. Ligo was a huge success, as everyone expected. Rai Weiss[0] was (is) a brilliant experimental physicist (and a very kind and helpful mentor to me when I was an undergraduate starting to think about alternative ways to detect gravity waves, he graciously gave me many hours of his time to bounce around crazy ideas and help with difficult calculations).
Back to the sociology, as much as I and everyone else respected Rai, I didn't go work on Ligo because it looked clear to me there were two answers Ligo could get: It could detect gravity waves at about the level everyone expected colliding black holes to produce (in which case everyone would say "It was an incredibly difficult experiment but they pulled it off" and a Nobel Prize would likely get awarded) or they could fail to see them/see way to many of them (in which case the community would say "Rai's a really smart guy but it was just a very hard experiment to do"). I simply didn't see any way that the community would actually increase it's actual Shannon information level about gravity waves significantly in response to Ligo, because the community had such a big Baysean probability factor folded in to its planned assessment of whatever the eventual outcome would be.
Fortunately, Rai (and others) were really smart, and really good experimentalists, and they did get "the right answer" having taken a great risk in doing so, and they are rightly respected for it, in somewhat the same way that Joe Weber was still respected in the community when I was thinking about these things back in the late 80's and early 90's (it's possible things have changed as the people who knew Weber personally have retired and/or passed away and his memory has been replaced by that of the actually, genuinely successful Ligo, I've been out of the field for too long to have current info there).
Anyway, thanks to @dnetesn for posting this and bringing good memories to mind for me.
[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Weiss https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Weiss
- eveningcoffee 9y agoIncredible story! Thank you for posting it.