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>When you're a refugee, immigration offices are now allowed and equipped to forensically examine your cell phone to determine "if you tell the truth", plus you

>When you're a refugee, immigration offices are now allowed and equipped to forensically examine your cell phone to determine "if you tell the truth", plus you have your fingerprints and biometric photos taken. ... What's wrong with inspecting their stories and taking biometrics? Just believing people that are obviously in their 20s claiming to be teens is one reason people are becoming anti immigration. Just cause someone shows up in the EU cause their country sucks doesn't mean they should just be let in without any scrutiny. ProTip: Most people in such countries would prefer to live in the EU/Canada/US. Blindly believing and letting in anyone damages efforts to admit people who actually are at risk. Coming in as a refugee is declaring your country of origin has totally failed and you're availing of the mercy of others, of which you might never be able to repay. Getting scanned to make sure you're not gaming the system seems like a trivial price to pay.

mschuster91 9y ago
> ... What's wrong with inspecting their stories and taking biometrics? "inspecting their stories" in this case is violating their human right to privacy. Taking biometric photos is fine if used only (!) for checking of multiple applications, but not to submit them to the police databases - as this puts refugees under a general suspicion of being future criminals. > Getting scanned to make sure you're not gaming the system seems like a trivial price to pay. The issue is: it's easy to break the dam in regard to human rights for refugees following your line of thought. When measures like this are enacted for refugees, usually no one cares until politicians say "we already have this for refugees/homeless/jobless/other bottom group, so why not extend it to soccer fans/left wing people/the general population". And by the time the "expansion racket" has arrived at "the general population" there is no more real resistance. This is why weakening of human rights is something that should result in jailtime for the politicians involved.
- MichaelGG 9y ago
  So what's your proposal to deal with people arriving under false pretences? Also you say refugee but let's admit a lot is simply economic migrants. Reminds me of the woman in Guatemala that tried to get refugees status due to being a woman in Guatemala. Ya, it sucks, but you're no more at risk than the other 100M people in the area.
  - mschuster91 9y ago
    > So what's your proposal to deal with people arriving under false pretences? No one except the far right cares for the maybe couple thousands of "fake refugees" that are bound to be in the millions of people fleeing war and poverty (which is often enough caused by Europe in the first place!). We don't ban driving or drinking because a few drunk people cause chaos. We can afford to house a couple thousand of "economic migrants" as long as we can clear up billions of euros in a week to rescue banks, imo. > Also you say refugee but let's admit a lot is simply economic migrants. And who causes said economic migrants? Mostly the European policy of dumping excess milk, food and clothing to Africa which destroys local industry there as well as European countries robbing the African coasts of fishes (esp. Somalia has been hit hard by this). To turn them away is pure double morality. We Europeans are the cause of the misery, so why should we ignore the consequences?

mschuster91 9y ago

> ... What's wrong with inspecting their stories and taking biometrics? "inspecting their stories" in this case is violating their human right to privacy. Taking biometric photos is fine if used only (!) for checking of multiple applications, but not to submit them to the police databases - as this puts refugees under a general suspicion of being future criminals. > Getting scanned to make sure you're not gaming the system seems like a trivial price to pay. The issue is: it's easy to break the dam in regard to human rights for refugees following your line of thought. When measures like this are enacted for refugees, usually no one cares until politicians say "we already have this for refugees/homeless/jobless/other bottom group, so why not extend it to soccer fans/left wing people/the general population". And by the time the "expansion racket" has arrived at "the general population" there is no more real resistance. This is why weakening of human rights is something that should result in jailtime for the politicians involved.

MichaelGG 9y ago
So what's your proposal to deal with people arriving under false pretences? Also you say refugee but let's admit a lot is simply economic migrants. Reminds me of the woman in Guatemala that tried to get refugees status due to being a woman in Guatemala. Ya, it sucks, but you're no more at risk than the other 100M people in the area.
- mschuster91 9y ago
  > So what's your proposal to deal with people arriving under false pretences? No one except the far right cares for the maybe couple thousands of "fake refugees" that are bound to be in the millions of people fleeing war and poverty (which is often enough caused by Europe in the first place!). We don't ban driving or drinking because a few drunk people cause chaos. We can afford to house a couple thousand of "economic migrants" as long as we can clear up billions of euros in a week to rescue banks, imo. > Also you say refugee but let's admit a lot is simply economic migrants. And who causes said economic migrants? Mostly the European policy of dumping excess milk, food and clothing to Africa which destroys local industry there as well as European countries robbing the African coasts of fishes (esp. Somalia has been hit hard by this). To turn them away is pure double morality. We Europeans are the cause of the misery, so why should we ignore the consequences?