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They could also knock it off with the tribalism - there's what, 100000000 different tribes?[0] They'd go back to killing each other anyway. EDIT: read that lin

They could also knock it off with the tribalism - there's what, 100000000 different tribes?[0] They'd go back to killing each other anyway. EDIT: read that link and then explain how that is not a problem instead of downvoting: "The ethnic groups of Africa number in the thousands," Wake up boys - it's all the same meat and bones. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_of_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_of_Afric...

finid 9y ago
Though I didn't, you deserve to be downvoted. Tribalism and the "killing each other" thing is not unique to Africa. On the latter, Europeans have Africa beat. If you're an America, I'll suggest you make a study of your ancestors history.
- throwway390 9y ago
  > Europeans have Africa beat. War seems to have stopped in (Western) Europe though. That is until the Russians take advantage of the current power vacuum to start one, or a spark ignites between ethnic groups that haven't been around in large enough numbers until very recently. On the other hand, Africa is at war today. See: article being discussed and [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa#21st_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa#21...
  - finid 9y ago
    I'm glad you qualified that, because splitting Yugoslavia was not peaceful. And Kosovo and Serbia is still a hot spot. But yes, wars stopped because after WW II, they decided the madness had to stop. That led to the formation of the EU. Countries that belong to the same economic group seldom go to war. ECOWAS serves the same purpose in West Africa. Assuming you're an American, you should be blaming your govt. rather than Russia for the what's happening around that region. I know you won't believe it, but that doesn't change the facts.
  - finid 9y ago
    You should note that the wars in Libya on that list were caused by the major European countries and the US.
  - hutzlibu 9y ago
    "War seems to have stopped in (Western) Europe though" There might be differen reasons than giving up on tribes. Afaik the biggest wars we had were totally not tribe related, but rather "Nation" and than "Race". And the original tribes in central europe are loong gone, replaced by feudalism and christianity over 1000 years ago.
    - throwway390 9y ago
      My point is that Africa is at the lower end of that scale (tribes) where the West is at the upper end (Unions). Or was, until Trump and Brexit. My point is that progress in Africa is hampered by unnecessary divisions between people. It's obviously not the only problem, but it's not helping, either.
shakna 9y ago
Instead of spewing a incredibly short-sighted rhetoric that suggests people kill each other if they have a tribe, perhaps you should stop and think. Let me pose it this way. You were born a Native American, your tribe is your family, and your history. For all intents, yhey are a nation that raised you. Around you are strangers. They come from a different nation. They butchered your ancestors to steal what they had. Yet, as is the way of your tribe, you try to be peaceful and considerate. In response, some are kind to you. But, their leaders steal your water. Not just sustinence, something special to the stories of your people. You protest peacefully. They react with violence. How do you feel? Tribes aren't something to give up. They're a part of you. Your history. Do you tell an Irishman to forget his kilt? An Englishman his Coat of Arms? Do you tell someone who's grandfather was a slave that its okay to be poor, because he's equal now? The tribe is family, history, and nation. When your neighbour tried to sell your grandfather out for diamonds, there will be problems. If anything, Africa shows us problems we ignore... And that with time and effort, relations can be improved. Sometimes it doesn't work. Bill kills Joe, because Joe bragged that his Da used to eat your family. But forgetting who you are, isn't going to help.
- throwway390 9y ago
  Where there's division, there's conflict. Ordered by number of conflicts, in decreasing amount: Tribes > Nation-states > Unions. There will be more wars when the European Union breaks up. Or when the US does. Conversely, Africa will greatly benefit from becoming more united in the same way the West has. This is now being reverted (see Trump, Brexit), so you just wait and see where that takes us.
  - shakna 9y ago
    There are thousands of tribes in Australia. Where is their civil war? It isn't as simple as you say, because a tribe is more than you seem to think it is. I can change my country, I cannot change my tribe. Having many tribes does not mean unity is impossible.
    - throwway390 9y ago

finid 9y ago

Though I didn't, you deserve to be downvoted. Tribalism and the "killing each other" thing is not unique to Africa. On the latter, Europeans have Africa beat. If you're an America, I'll suggest you make a study of your ancestors history.

throwway390 9y ago
> Europeans have Africa beat. War seems to have stopped in (Western) Europe though. That is until the Russians take advantage of the current power vacuum to start one, or a spark ignites between ethnic groups that haven't been around in large enough numbers until very recently. On the other hand, Africa is at war today. See: article being discussed and [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa#21st_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa#21...
- finid 9y ago
  I'm glad you qualified that, because splitting Yugoslavia was not peaceful. And Kosovo and Serbia is still a hot spot. But yes, wars stopped because after WW II, they decided the madness had to stop. That led to the formation of the EU. Countries that belong to the same economic group seldom go to war. ECOWAS serves the same purpose in West Africa. Assuming you're an American, you should be blaming your govt. rather than Russia for the what's happening around that region. I know you won't believe it, but that doesn't change the facts.
- finid 9y ago
  You should note that the wars in Libya on that list were caused by the major European countries and the US.
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  "War seems to have stopped in (Western) Europe though" There might be differen reasons than giving up on tribes. Afaik the biggest wars we had were totally not tribe related, but rather "Nation" and than "Race". And the original tribes in central europe are loong gone, replaced by feudalism and christianity over 1000 years ago.
  - throwway390 9y ago
    My point is that Africa is at the lower end of that scale (tribes) where the West is at the upper end (Unions). Or was, until Trump and Brexit. My point is that progress in Africa is hampered by unnecessary divisions between people. It's obviously not the only problem, but it's not helping, either.

shakna 9y ago

Instead of spewing a incredibly short-sighted rhetoric that suggests people kill each other if they have a tribe, perhaps you should stop and think. Let me pose it this way. You were born a Native American, your tribe is your family, and your history. For all intents, yhey are a nation that raised you. Around you are strangers. They come from a different nation. They butchered your ancestors to steal what they had. Yet, as is the way of your tribe, you try to be peaceful and considerate. In response, some are kind to you. But, their leaders steal your water. Not just sustinence, something special to the stories of your people. You protest peacefully. They react with violence. How do you feel? Tribes aren't something to give up. They're a part of you. Your history. Do you tell an Irishman to forget his kilt? An Englishman his Coat of Arms? Do you tell someone who's grandfather was a slave that its okay to be poor, because he's equal now? The tribe is family, history, and nation. When your neighbour tried to sell your grandfather out for diamonds, there will be problems. If anything, Africa shows us problems we ignore... And that with time and effort, relations can be improved. Sometimes it doesn't work. Bill kills Joe, because Joe bragged that his Da used to eat your family. But forgetting who you are, isn't going to help.

throwway390 9y ago
Where there's division, there's conflict. Ordered by number of conflicts, in decreasing amount: Tribes > Nation-states > Unions. There will be more wars when the European Union breaks up. Or when the US does. Conversely, Africa will greatly benefit from becoming more united in the same way the West has. This is now being reverted (see Trump, Brexit), so you just wait and see where that takes us.
- shakna 9y ago
  There are thousands of tribes in Australia. Where is their civil war? It isn't as simple as you say, because a tribe is more than you seem to think it is. I can change my country, I cannot change my tribe. Having many tribes does not mean unity is impossible.
  - throwway390 9y ago