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I don't understand this decision. I get the argument that it's most likely developers who want the Linux Subsystem but as soon as you say that only some apps in

I don't understand this decision. I get the argument that it's most likely developers who want the Linux Subsystem but as soon as you say that only some apps in the store work in 10 S you start the trail of platform fragmentation.

akerro 9y ago
Easy, MS loves Linux.* Too much loves turned into rape.
- blackoil 9y ago
  too much love normally leads to sacrifice, you are confusing between love and lust.
  - rbanffy 9y ago
    Microsoft lusts for Linux. They want the attention Linux gets. They want the tooling Linux has. And they want the developers, before all of them switch to Linux or Mac. They desperately want developers to stay. They need it.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      You are mixing developers with UNIX developers. There are many kinds of developers in the world, some of us dislike being mixed with UNIX developers all the time on HN.
0xFFC 9y ago
Do you realize you can upgrade easily to full version of windows with a little bit of extra cost? It perfectly makes sense. S is kinda limited sandboxed version of Windows of only educational environment use.
- II2II 9y ago
  It is worth noting that this is a subset of the educational environment. Primary and Secondary schools may find this of limited value due to existing licensing agreements. I used to work in a province which licensed much of the educational software used by public schools and first nations schools (and the scope of licensing ranged from school computers only, to teacher computers, to student computers). While this would probably be addressable with time, the transition would be a rough one. Post secondary education is also a mixed basket. The majority of students may get by with a restricted range of software, yet many departments depend upon specialized applications. This would create barriers for students regardless of whether the software is Windows native (but not approved in Microsoft's store) or Unix software that can run in WSL. While this isn't a huge issue for students with their own computers, who can upgrade to for the nominal price, it is likely going to create many issues for institutions.
- jackmott 9y ago
  the education is "do not compute without permission of the company"
johncolanduoni 9y ago
Start the trail? The desktop vs. Metro/UWP fragmentation started a long time ago.
pjmlp 9y ago
> most likely UNIX developers who want the Linux Subsystem Fixed it for you. Use Windows since Windows 3.0, never missed having a POSIX shell. In fact, I am yet to install WSL on my Windows 10 machines.
- yellowapple 9y ago
  I've used Windows since 3.1. The old DOS shell is woefully lacking compared to even Bourne (let alone bash or ksh or what have you). PowerShell is a godsend, on the other hand. Even the better POSIX shells out there are woefully lacking in comparison to PowerShell. It's what the Unix shell should've been from the beginning, and I'd sooner use it over WSL any day (despite my home being a Windows-free environment of Linux and OpenBSD boxen). On the third hand, I've recently taken up Tcl, and it's in turn a godsend. There are some things from PowerShell which I miss in Tcl, but they're minor in comparison to having Tk at my fingertips and a vast array of tribal knowledge encoded in the Tcl wiki. It also integrates reasonably well with both Windows and Unix.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    I am using F# for when Powershell gets too complicated. For multiplatform scripts, Python, as F# isn't available in all systems. Love Tcl, I used it on a startup as our application server main language, back in the first .com wave.

akerro 9y ago

Easy, MS loves Linux.* Too much loves turned into rape.

blackoil 9y ago
too much love normally leads to sacrifice, you are confusing between love and lust.
- rbanffy 9y ago
  Microsoft lusts for Linux. They want the attention Linux gets. They want the tooling Linux has. And they want the developers, before all of them switch to Linux or Mac. They desperately want developers to stay. They need it.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    You are mixing developers with UNIX developers. There are many kinds of developers in the world, some of us dislike being mixed with UNIX developers all the time on HN.

0xFFC 9y ago

Do you realize you can upgrade easily to full version of windows with a little bit of extra cost? It perfectly makes sense. S is kinda limited sandboxed version of Windows of only educational environment use.

II2II 9y ago
It is worth noting that this is a subset of the educational environment. Primary and Secondary schools may find this of limited value due to existing licensing agreements. I used to work in a province which licensed much of the educational software used by public schools and first nations schools (and the scope of licensing ranged from school computers only, to teacher computers, to student computers). While this would probably be addressable with time, the transition would be a rough one. Post secondary education is also a mixed basket. The majority of students may get by with a restricted range of software, yet many departments depend upon specialized applications. This would create barriers for students regardless of whether the software is Windows native (but not approved in Microsoft's store) or Unix software that can run in WSL. While this isn't a huge issue for students with their own computers, who can upgrade to for the nominal price, it is likely going to create many issues for institutions.
jackmott 9y ago
the education is "do not compute without permission of the company"

johncolanduoni 9y ago

Start the trail? The desktop vs. Metro/UWP fragmentation started a long time ago.

pjmlp 9y ago

> most likely UNIX developers who want the Linux Subsystem Fixed it for you. Use Windows since Windows 3.0, never missed having a POSIX shell. In fact, I am yet to install WSL on my Windows 10 machines.

yellowapple 9y ago
I've used Windows since 3.1. The old DOS shell is woefully lacking compared to even Bourne (let alone bash or ksh or what have you). PowerShell is a godsend, on the other hand. Even the better POSIX shells out there are woefully lacking in comparison to PowerShell. It's what the Unix shell should've been from the beginning, and I'd sooner use it over WSL any day (despite my home being a Windows-free environment of Linux and OpenBSD boxen). On the third hand, I've recently taken up Tcl, and it's in turn a godsend. There are some things from PowerShell which I miss in Tcl, but they're minor in comparison to having Tk at my fingertips and a vast array of tribal knowledge encoded in the Tcl wiki. It also integrates reasonably well with both Windows and Unix.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  I am using F# for when Powershell gets too complicated. For multiplatform scripts, Python, as F# isn't available in all systems. Love Tcl, I used it on a startup as our application server main language, back in the first .com wave.