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>"Give me immunity, and I'll give you all the evidence that Uber was in on this plan from the start" I get that Uber is a toxic company, but I'm not sure if im
by desdiv 9y ago
>"Give me immunity, and I'll give you all the evidence that Uber was in on this plan from the start"
I get that Uber is a toxic company, but I'm not sure if immunity is a good idea.
"If you steal on behalf of Big Corp and gets caught, you can just rat out Big Corp and get off scot-free."
Is that really the sort of signal that we want our court systems to send out?
- ryanx435 9y agoyes. we absolutely want to encourage whistle blowers. obviously the level of immunity will vary based on the circumstances of each case, but again, we absolutely want to encourage this type of behavior.
- jlarocco 9y ago> yes. we absolutely want to encourage whistle blowers. What? Levandowski can't be a whistle blower here because he had a central role in the (alleged) criminal activity. The case wouldn't even exist without him. If the allegations are true, the best he's going to get for turning on Uber is a plea deal.
- ggggtez 9y agoWhistle blower tend to be lower on the totem pole. If it really is conspiracy your not likely going to see anyone in the court offer immunities for something he benefited hundreds of millions of dollars for.
- matt_wulfeck 9y agoThat can all be worked out as part of his plea deal.
- mattnewton 9y agoHow would he be a whistle blower? He didn't allegedly witness it, he allegedly did the deed!
- TeMPOraL 9y agoReplace "Big Corp" with "organized crime" and "steal" with... well, "steal" may stay - and yes, I think courts already encourage that, and with good reason - ultimately, it's vital to be able to catch the people actually scheming, and not just the pawns executing those schemes.
- jlarocco 9y agoI think it's pretty rare for courts to offer full immunity to people involved in organized crime, and they definitely don't offer it to the highest level targets. Levandowski may not be the mastermind behind the whole thing, but his going along with it is the only reason it was even possible. And he made a ton of money from it. There's no way he's going to get immunity.
- TeMPOraL 9y agoI didn't mean immunity, just leniency. In this case, I'm convinced that Levandowski will not get away scot-free.
- travmatt 9y agoIIUC, much of American corporate law works like this - be the one to bring us this info, and we'll take it easy on you. They then go harder after the individuals/companies who held out - trying to maximize the prisoners dilemma.
- gremlinsinc 9y agoI don't think immunity is on the table..maybe a commuted sentence? 2-5 years? He's rich so it'll probably be home arrest, or just probation or something.
- mattnewton 9y agoIf I were an Uber investor or Uber management I'd be rereading all the contracts for ways to claw back his payment.
- akira2501 9y ago> I get that Uber is a toxic company, but I'm not sure if immunity is a good idea. I don't think immunity protects you from civil damages, though.. just the criminal penalties. So, still not a great trade for Levandowski if he makes a deal.
- mattnewton 9y agoEspecially since he is hundreds of millions of dollars richer for the whole exchange
- setr 9y agoWell, if people consistently rat out the big corp (because its now better to do so than not) then cost/success rate of theft should hopefully become untenable, and they'd stop trying to find people to steal for them. And ofc, the big corp is clearly the preferred target, since they're much more likely to repeatedly commit crimes (and at larger scales) than the individual Cleanest way to beat a tagteam is to convince them they're enemies