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Legalize and tax/regulate production, purity, etc. Outlaw all marketing. Invest all profits in the following: 1) Ensuring all children have an attuned attach

by ada1981 9y ago

Legalize and tax/regulate production, purity, etc. Outlaw all marketing. Invest all profits in the following: 1) Ensuring all children have an attuned attachment figure / parents have free (or even incentivized) training to learn how to attune emotionally. 2) Psychedelic therapy centers to help heal the underlying addiction along with support and integration. 3) Community gardens / organic food production & affordable housing.

krapp 9y ago
> Legalize and tax/regulate production, purity, etc. Outlaw all marketing. Why outlaw marketing? If all drugs are legal and regulated, there should be no issue with advertising them like any other legal and regulated product. The US already allows advertising for pharmaceuticals, it should allow advertising for every other drug. And why should drug companies have to invest their profits in the programs you describe? No one forces beer companies to invest all of their profits in Alcoholics Anonymous, or MacDonalds to invest in weight loss programs. Your comment implies that you believe certain drugs would present a societal harm if legalized, and that extraordinary efforts should be taken to mitigate that damage. But if so, why legalize them to begin with?
- maccard 9y ago
  If you look at countries that aren't the US, this is exactly how they treat alcohol. e.g. Diageo run the DrinkAware campaigns [0], france forbids any marketing of alcohol (even going as far as to rename a major sporting tournament the H cup instead of the heineken cup, and forcing teams to not display their sponsors on their kits) I'd argue that the US is wrong in allowing for pharmaceuticals as it does. In the UK, advertising is allowed for OTC drugs, but not prescription drugs [1] > Your comment implies that you believe certain drugs would present a societal harm if legalized, and that extraordinary efforts should be taken to mitigate that damage. But if so, why legalize them to begin with? Tobacco usage is associated with massive societal harm, and in european countries has very specific controls. In the UK, you cannot smoke in many places, there is no tobacco advertising allowed, all packaging must be plain (from this saturday I believe), and there is minimum pricing in place. I personally believe that people should be allowed to smoke if they choose to, but there is no denying that these measures have had a massive impact on the number of people who regularly smoke. (as an anecdote, almost all of my friends parents smoke, whereas almost none of my friends do) [0] http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/6465/Diageo_launches__responsible_drinking__website.html http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/6465/Diageo_... [1] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advertise-your-medicines https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advertise-your-medicines
- lottin 9y ago
  Ideally you would put a Pigouvian tax on heroin in order to make up for all the harm done to non-consumers resulting from heroin use. Most heroin users wouldn't be able to afford heroin if you put such a tax. The only problem with this solution is that most heroin users tend to resort to crime if they can't afford to pay for the drug, so this really isn't a solution.
- mgce 9y ago
  I firmly believe alcohol marketing is a major contributor toward alcohol continuing to be one of the most destructive drugs in our society. It's glamorized in a a savvy and well-funded way that puts an incessant haze in our understanding of it as a a powerful, poisonous, and potentially debilitating substance. You can find billboards that make bottles of liquor look like royal treasure passed down from the gods. It's ultimately poison in a bottle. This kind of glorification of it hurts people who don't have the ability to enjoy it without consequence (i.e. millions of people in the U.S.).
  - rm_-rf_slash 9y ago
    On one hand, who can forget this wonderful slice from South Park: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo On the other, alcohol use is highly cultural. In Italy, everybody drinks. A glass of wine or two with lunch and dinner is totally normal. Yet I never have seen a sauced Italian. Compare it to the Brits, who drink like fish. In fact, the ancient Romans repeatedly tried and failed to replace the local binge drinking culture with their own casual Mediterranean cafe culture. The reason Americans drink too much is simply because American culture values getting sauced. Even responsible adults remember their adolescent years with some fondness and so there isn't much of a cultural impetus to stop drinking or to drink less.
  - mywittyname 9y ago
    People have been writing about the disastrous effects of alcohol abuse since long before billboards existed. Cultures throughout history made laws against drunkenness. In fact, abuse used to be so pervasive that 100 years ago the USA passed a constitutional amendment banning it!

krapp 9y ago

> Legalize and tax/regulate production, purity, etc. Outlaw all marketing. Why outlaw marketing? If all drugs are legal and regulated, there should be no issue with advertising them like any other legal and regulated product. The US already allows advertising for pharmaceuticals, it should allow advertising for every other drug. And why should drug companies have to invest their profits in the programs you describe? No one forces beer companies to invest all of their profits in Alcoholics Anonymous, or MacDonalds to invest in weight loss programs. Your comment implies that you believe certain drugs would present a societal harm if legalized, and that extraordinary efforts should be taken to mitigate that damage. But if so, why legalize them to begin with?

maccard 9y ago
If you look at countries that aren't the US, this is exactly how they treat alcohol. e.g. Diageo run the DrinkAware campaigns [0], france forbids any marketing of alcohol (even going as far as to rename a major sporting tournament the H cup instead of the heineken cup, and forcing teams to not display their sponsors on their kits) I'd argue that the US is wrong in allowing for pharmaceuticals as it does. In the UK, advertising is allowed for OTC drugs, but not prescription drugs [1] > Your comment implies that you believe certain drugs would present a societal harm if legalized, and that extraordinary efforts should be taken to mitigate that damage. But if so, why legalize them to begin with? Tobacco usage is associated with massive societal harm, and in european countries has very specific controls. In the UK, you cannot smoke in many places, there is no tobacco advertising allowed, all packaging must be plain (from this saturday I believe), and there is minimum pricing in place. I personally believe that people should be allowed to smoke if they choose to, but there is no denying that these measures have had a massive impact on the number of people who regularly smoke. (as an anecdote, almost all of my friends parents smoke, whereas almost none of my friends do) [0] http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/6465/Diageo_launches__responsible_drinking__website.html http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/6465/Diageo_... [1] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advertise-your-medicines https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advertise-your-medicines
lottin 9y ago
Ideally you would put a Pigouvian tax on heroin in order to make up for all the harm done to non-consumers resulting from heroin use. Most heroin users wouldn't be able to afford heroin if you put such a tax. The only problem with this solution is that most heroin users tend to resort to crime if they can't afford to pay for the drug, so this really isn't a solution.
mgce 9y ago
I firmly believe alcohol marketing is a major contributor toward alcohol continuing to be one of the most destructive drugs in our society. It's glamorized in a a savvy and well-funded way that puts an incessant haze in our understanding of it as a a powerful, poisonous, and potentially debilitating substance. You can find billboards that make bottles of liquor look like royal treasure passed down from the gods. It's ultimately poison in a bottle. This kind of glorification of it hurts people who don't have the ability to enjoy it without consequence (i.e. millions of people in the U.S.).
- rm_-rf_slash 9y ago
  On one hand, who can forget this wonderful slice from South Park: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo On the other, alcohol use is highly cultural. In Italy, everybody drinks. A glass of wine or two with lunch and dinner is totally normal. Yet I never have seen a sauced Italian. Compare it to the Brits, who drink like fish. In fact, the ancient Romans repeatedly tried and failed to replace the local binge drinking culture with their own casual Mediterranean cafe culture. The reason Americans drink too much is simply because American culture values getting sauced. Even responsible adults remember their adolescent years with some fondness and so there isn't much of a cultural impetus to stop drinking or to drink less.
- mywittyname 9y ago
  People have been writing about the disastrous effects of alcohol abuse since long before billboards existed. Cultures throughout history made laws against drunkenness. In fact, abuse used to be so pervasive that 100 years ago the USA passed a constitutional amendment banning it!