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In what regard? I use both of them consistently. Telegram is full of nice features and their desktop client is well done. Whatsapp doesn't have as many featu

In what regard? I use both of them consistently. Telegram is full of nice features and their desktop client is well done. Whatsapp doesn't have as many features but I feel far more secure and private in there.

Risthel 9y ago
You feel more secure is not a good point. This needs to be technical of what kind of encryption feature is used, and not trust on "pappers" of the software creator, or try to feel safe just by using your "spider senses" while using the software. And remember: You liking or not, WhatsApp is a Facebook developed software. RING is the only real secure chat software, with DHT, peer-to-peer discovery and encryption. https://ring.cx/ https://ring.cx/
- emilsedgh 9y ago
  Unfortunately, even as a software engineer (although a mediocre one) I don't even know which one is actually safer. I know that Whatsapp encrypts everything on the device so that's a really good start. But I have no clue what security holes, backdoors, etc are in neither of them and we are leaving in dangerous times. So basically the only thing I really trust is GPG-encoded emails which noone uses.
- ue_ 9y ago
  Tox is worth a look for peer-to-peer, encryption and DHT too.
hvidgaard 9y ago
For security and privacy, neighter is a good option. If you compare Telegram and Riot, Telegram wins hands down from a UX point of view. Riot is seriously lacking in this department, but it offers true end to end encryption with multiple devices by default, so if that matters to you, that is the best choice.
- kogepathic 9y ago
  > Riot is seriously lacking in this department, but it offers true end to end encryption with multiple devices by default, so if that matters to you, that is the best choice. What about Wire?
  - hvidgaard 9y ago
    It wasn't entirely open sourced last time I researched it, which is one of the reasons I switched to Riot.
    - FabHK 9y ago
      My understanding is that the client code and some of the server code is on github, and the rest of the server side code is being released gradually: https://github.com/wireapp https://github.com/wireapp https://medium.com/@wireapp/open-sourcing-wire-server-code-ef7866a731d5 https://medium.com/@wireapp/open-sourcing-wire-server-code-e... https://medium.com/@wireapp https://medium.com/@wireapp
  - yoghurt 9y ago
    Wire is still improving quickly and it looks very promising, but this (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/secure-messaging-app-wire-stores-everyone-youve-ever-contacted-in-plain-text https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/secure-messaging-...) is reason enough for me to avoid them for now. Signal is still the best secure messenger in my opinion.
    - hvidgaard 9y ago
      Indeed. There is no reason to store that what so ever. Idealy, messaging is fully distributed, secure, and anonymous.
- Niten 9y ago
  It all comes down to the author's personal preferences and concerns, but a blanket assertion that WhatsApp is not a good option from a security option is silly. WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted with the Signal protocol by default, so the security of its message contents is top-notch. But if the author is especially concerned about collection of metadata they should consider Signal itself, which also has a very well thought-out UX.

Risthel 9y ago

You feel more secure is not a good point. This needs to be technical of what kind of encryption feature is used, and not trust on "pappers" of the software creator, or try to feel safe just by using your "spider senses" while using the software. And remember: You liking or not, WhatsApp is a Facebook developed software. RING is the only real secure chat software, with DHT, peer-to-peer discovery and encryption. https://ring.cx/ https://ring.cx/

emilsedgh 9y ago
Unfortunately, even as a software engineer (although a mediocre one) I don't even know which one is actually safer. I know that Whatsapp encrypts everything on the device so that's a really good start. But I have no clue what security holes, backdoors, etc are in neither of them and we are leaving in dangerous times. So basically the only thing I really trust is GPG-encoded emails which noone uses.
ue_ 9y ago
Tox is worth a look for peer-to-peer, encryption and DHT too.

hvidgaard 9y ago

For security and privacy, neighter is a good option. If you compare Telegram and Riot, Telegram wins hands down from a UX point of view. Riot is seriously lacking in this department, but it offers true end to end encryption with multiple devices by default, so if that matters to you, that is the best choice.

kogepathic 9y ago
> Riot is seriously lacking in this department, but it offers true end to end encryption with multiple devices by default, so if that matters to you, that is the best choice. What about Wire?
- hvidgaard 9y ago
  It wasn't entirely open sourced last time I researched it, which is one of the reasons I switched to Riot.
  - FabHK 9y ago
    My understanding is that the client code and some of the server code is on github, and the rest of the server side code is being released gradually: https://github.com/wireapp https://github.com/wireapp https://medium.com/@wireapp/open-sourcing-wire-server-code-ef7866a731d5 https://medium.com/@wireapp/open-sourcing-wire-server-code-e... https://medium.com/@wireapp https://medium.com/@wireapp
- yoghurt 9y ago
  Wire is still improving quickly and it looks very promising, but this (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/secure-messaging-app-wire-stores-everyone-youve-ever-contacted-in-plain-text https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/secure-messaging-...) is reason enough for me to avoid them for now. Signal is still the best secure messenger in my opinion.
  - hvidgaard 9y ago
    Indeed. There is no reason to store that what so ever. Idealy, messaging is fully distributed, secure, and anonymous.
Niten 9y ago
It all comes down to the author's personal preferences and concerns, but a blanket assertion that WhatsApp is not a good option from a security option is silly. WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted with the Signal protocol by default, so the security of its message contents is top-notch. But if the author is especially concerned about collection of metadata they should consider Signal itself, which also has a very well thought-out UX.