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GitHub calls this electron app "the new native" on https://desktop.github.com https://desktop.github.com. But the app does not look or feel native. It has an ac

GitHub calls this electron app "the new native" on https://desktop.github.com https://desktop.github.com. But the app does not look or feel native. It has an active appearance even when it's in the background, content lags the window frame during resize, menu items are enabled even when they don't apply or work, some buttons with the default appearance don't respond to return, you can't drag and drop text, many context menus are broken, rubber band scrolling doesn't work, the title bar text is absent, selection modifier keys don't work properly... If native is to mean anything, it can't mean this. Calling it "the new native" is an affront, because its UI regresses in so many places relative to real native apps.

HappyTypist 9y ago
It's not just UI but performance as well. For native apps, UI (hover state, clicks, etc) react in 0-1 frames. For Electron apps, these range from 3-10 frames.
- rjeli 9y ago
  Don't worry, just wait a few years and the processors will be fast enough for native-like performance.
  - sha666sum 9y ago
    In other words, in a few years everyone will need to replace their perfectly good computers because of software bloat.
    - fludlight 9y ago
      You just summed up the history of the industry.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    And by then we'll have our pick of Neutrino, Electrode, and Amber as the new, shiny, laggy way to build "native" apps.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    Perhaps you've missed the memo? https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead-now-what/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moores-law-really-is-dead-this-time/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moore...
- nwienert 9y ago
  This is not true, nor has it been historically. Since 2001, you can make hover effects in <16ms.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    You didn't say anything that disagrees with the parent. Except if you mean that you could do it since 2001 on web pages in < 16ms -- which is clearly not the case.
tonyedgecombe 9y ago
However it is a beta release which implies some rough edges.
vram22 9y ago
What is rubber band scrolling? Edit: thanks for the replies.
- fny 9y ago
  It's the bounce you see if you try to scroll past the end of some content. See this image for an example http://blog.christoffer.me/content/images/2015/12/2_touch_adds_rubberband_effect.gif http://blog.christoffer.me/content/images/2015/12/2_touch_ad...
- imron 9y ago
  When you scroll past the very top or very bottom of a page and it bounces and springs back.

HappyTypist 9y ago

It's not just UI but performance as well. For native apps, UI (hover state, clicks, etc) react in 0-1 frames. For Electron apps, these range from 3-10 frames.

rjeli 9y ago
Don't worry, just wait a few years and the processors will be fast enough for native-like performance.
- sha666sum 9y ago
  In other words, in a few years everyone will need to replace their perfectly good computers because of software bloat.
  - fludlight 9y ago
    You just summed up the history of the industry.
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  And by then we'll have our pick of Neutrino, Electrode, and Amber as the new, shiny, laggy way to build "native" apps.
- coldtea 9y ago
  Perhaps you've missed the memo? https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead-now-what/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moores-law-really-is-dead-this-time/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moore...
nwienert 9y ago
This is not true, nor has it been historically. Since 2001, you can make hover effects in <16ms.
- coldtea 9y ago
  You didn't say anything that disagrees with the parent. Except if you mean that you could do it since 2001 on web pages in < 16ms -- which is clearly not the case.

tonyedgecombe 9y ago

However it is a beta release which implies some rough edges.

vram22 9y ago

What is rubber band scrolling? Edit: thanks for the replies.

fny 9y ago
It's the bounce you see if you try to scroll past the end of some content. See this image for an example http://blog.christoffer.me/content/images/2015/12/2_touch_adds_rubberband_effect.gif http://blog.christoffer.me/content/images/2015/12/2_touch_ad...
imron 9y ago
When you scroll past the very top or very bottom of a page and it bounces and springs back.