I was talking more historically. Java was slow and fell out of favor at a time when the average desktop had 16MB of RAM (and many had less). It never recovered

I was talking more historically. Java was slow and fell out of favor at a time when the average desktop had 16MB of RAM (and many had less). It never recovered from that perception and was pretty much confined to server side tasks. Now developers are working on electron apps and the average machine with 2GB makes an electron app today feel like a java one from 20 years ago.