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I also have a model S, but I have owned a couple of other high performance gas cars that are much more responsive on the 55-65 or 40-70 acceleration test (passi

I also have a model S, but I have owned a couple of other high performance gas cars that are much more responsive on the 55-65 or 40-70 acceleration test (passing at highway speeds). That's the only common case where the tesla loses to gas vehicles, and then only high performance gas vehicles (e.g. 300HP+ coupe/sedan models). But the 0-30 thing is exactly right in my experience. Even more powerful vehicles don't have the instant and smooth acceleration feel of an electric motor.

acchow 9y ago
This is due to the rising power curve of ICE.
- m3kw9 9y ago
  That's no excuse
- epistasis 9y ago
  There's that, plus the time that it takes for the automatic transmission to decide that yes, you really do want to accelerate, and yes, maybe it ought to get around to increasing the RPMs one of these seconds. Electric cars opened my interest car performance. I now have a higher performance ICE than I ever thought I would spend money on, but I still miss my tiny little electric Fiat 500e, even though my ICE is definitely better at 40-80mph. Fiddling with gears, monitoring RPM, what a terrible system. Feels like a steam engine after being in an electric.
  - jdhn 9y ago
    >Fiddling with gears, monitoring RPM, what a terrible system. For some of us, this "terrible system" is one of the best parts of owning an ICE vehicle with a manual transmission.
    - dcwca 9y ago
      I can totally see how that would be true. You build muscle memory and positive associations around the operation of the machine. But you've gotta see too how it's akin to turning a rotary phone dial.
      - bagels 9y ago
        In some ways, yes, but excluding dual clutch transmissions, manual transmissions really do have a performance advantage while rotary phones did not have any advantage over touch tone other than, maybe at one point, cost.
        adrianN 9y ago
        I doubt that there are many drivers who can outperform a modern automatic transmission.
        eeks 9y ago
        Automatic, yes. Semi-automatic, no. With semi, the driver makes the decision, and the system execute it (the best in class is within 10ms IIRC).
        dragontamer 9y ago
        I disagree. As eeks points out, fully automatic transmissions are kind of awful at making decisions. I have a case when I was driving into work this morning. I got stuck behind a funeral procession going 35 MPH on a 65 MPH interstate highway (Uggghhhhh) I look to my left-mirror, and I see a spot I can feasibly make, I just gotta time it right to get "into" the flow of traffic. So what do I do? I drop to 2nd gear (The Gear ratios on the Ford Focus are kinda "weak"). My engine roars but its cool, because my engine's top-Torque is in the 4000RPM to 6000RPM band. When the "spot" opens up, I floor the acceleration pedal and get in just fine. ---------- A fully automatic vehicle wouldn't "know" that I wanted to "prepare" for the sudden acceleration. It only knows after you push the pedal. A manual driver however, can tell the car to "prepare" for acceleration, so that when you push the accelerator you are 100% ready to go. ------------- Semi-automatic vehicles (including some "sport" CVT engines I've test-driven) would work. The important bit is to be able to change gears way ahead of time BEFORE you push the accelerator.
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      Most electric cars have only 1 gear (including reverse), isn't that a manual transmission? :-) It doesn't automatically shift...

acchow 9y ago

This is due to the rising power curve of ICE.

m3kw9 9y ago
That's no excuse
epistasis 9y ago
There's that, plus the time that it takes for the automatic transmission to decide that yes, you really do want to accelerate, and yes, maybe it ought to get around to increasing the RPMs one of these seconds. Electric cars opened my interest car performance. I now have a higher performance ICE than I ever thought I would spend money on, but I still miss my tiny little electric Fiat 500e, even though my ICE is definitely better at 40-80mph. Fiddling with gears, monitoring RPM, what a terrible system. Feels like a steam engine after being in an electric.
- jdhn 9y ago
  >Fiddling with gears, monitoring RPM, what a terrible system. For some of us, this "terrible system" is one of the best parts of owning an ICE vehicle with a manual transmission.
  - dcwca 9y ago
    I can totally see how that would be true. You build muscle memory and positive associations around the operation of the machine. But you've gotta see too how it's akin to turning a rotary phone dial.
    - bagels 9y ago
      In some ways, yes, but excluding dual clutch transmissions, manual transmissions really do have a performance advantage while rotary phones did not have any advantage over touch tone other than, maybe at one point, cost.
      - adrianN 9y ago
        I doubt that there are many drivers who can outperform a modern automatic transmission.
        eeks 9y ago
        Automatic, yes. Semi-automatic, no. With semi, the driver makes the decision, and the system execute it (the best in class is within 10ms IIRC).
        dragontamer 9y ago
        I disagree. As eeks points out, fully automatic transmissions are kind of awful at making decisions. I have a case when I was driving into work this morning. I got stuck behind a funeral procession going 35 MPH on a 65 MPH interstate highway (Uggghhhhh) I look to my left-mirror, and I see a spot I can feasibly make, I just gotta time it right to get "into" the flow of traffic. So what do I do? I drop to 2nd gear (The Gear ratios on the Ford Focus are kinda "weak"). My engine roars but its cool, because my engine's top-Torque is in the 4000RPM to 6000RPM band. When the "spot" opens up, I floor the acceleration pedal and get in just fine. ---------- A fully automatic vehicle wouldn't "know" that I wanted to "prepare" for the sudden acceleration. It only knows after you push the pedal. A manual driver however, can tell the car to "prepare" for acceleration, so that when you push the accelerator you are 100% ready to go. ------------- Semi-automatic vehicles (including some "sport" CVT engines I've test-driven) would work. The important bit is to be able to change gears way ahead of time BEFORE you push the accelerator.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    Most electric cars have only 1 gear (including reverse), isn't that a manual transmission? :-) It doesn't automatically shift...