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I often wonder how factual articles like this are. Under modern labor laws it would be difficult to create the kind of situations described. Especially in Calif

I often wonder how factual articles like this are. Under modern labor laws it would be difficult to create the kind of situations described. Especially in California. Unions have been trying infiltrate Tesla for awhile now. They have the most to gain by disseminating false information. On the other hand if the information is factual then Tesla really needs to improve working conditions.

vkou 9y ago
> They have the most to gain by disseminating false information. To be fair, management has just as much to gain by disseminating false information. (That everything is hunky-dory.) Also, workers trying to organize is not 'infiltration by unions'. It's their lawful right, in a society which allows free association. Management bargains collectively - why can't employees?
- bhhaskin 9y ago
  That's true. An independent investigation is really the only way to know for sure.
  - vkou 9y ago
    This will never happen. More likely, employees will unionize, and come to some agreement with management, or, they will fail to, and anyone attempting to unionize will be fired. (Illegally, but in at-will states, employees have almost zero recourse for that kind of termination.)
    - pktgen 9y ago
      > More likely, employees will unionize, and come to some agreement with management, or, they will fail to, and anyone attempting to unionize will be fired. (Illegally, but in at-will states, employees have almost zero recourse for that kind of termination.) Actually, private-sector employees have recourse for that in all states under the federal National Labor Relations Act -- they can file a charge with the NLRB. The NLRB staff are very helpful and understand that most people are not lawyers, so they will even help you draft the charge form and walk you through the process.
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foepys 9y ago
> Unions have been trying infiltrate Tesla for awhile now. What kind of rhetoric is that? Is it inherently bad for workers to unionize and speak with one strong voice instead of hundreds of weak voices?
crdoconnor 9y ago
"Unions have been trying infiltrate Tesla for awhile now. They have the most to gain by disseminating false information." It could equally be disseminated by the Big Three (who have done stuff like this before) or by shorters (likewise). Or it could be all true.

vkou 9y ago

> They have the most to gain by disseminating false information. To be fair, management has just as much to gain by disseminating false information. (That everything is hunky-dory.) Also, workers trying to organize is not 'infiltration by unions'. It's their lawful right, in a society which allows free association. Management bargains collectively - why can't employees?

bhhaskin 9y ago
That's true. An independent investigation is really the only way to know for sure.
- vkou 9y ago
  This will never happen. More likely, employees will unionize, and come to some agreement with management, or, they will fail to, and anyone attempting to unionize will be fired. (Illegally, but in at-will states, employees have almost zero recourse for that kind of termination.)
  - pktgen 9y ago
    > More likely, employees will unionize, and come to some agreement with management, or, they will fail to, and anyone attempting to unionize will be fired. (Illegally, but in at-will states, employees have almost zero recourse for that kind of termination.) Actually, private-sector employees have recourse for that in all states under the federal National Labor Relations Act -- they can file a charge with the NLRB. The NLRB staff are very helpful and understand that most people are not lawyers, so they will even help you draft the charge form and walk you through the process.

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foepys 9y ago

> Unions have been trying infiltrate Tesla for awhile now. What kind of rhetoric is that? Is it inherently bad for workers to unionize and speak with one strong voice instead of hundreds of weak voices?

crdoconnor 9y ago

"Unions have been trying infiltrate Tesla for awhile now. They have the most to gain by disseminating false information." It could equally be disseminated by the Big Three (who have done stuff like this before) or by shorters (likewise). Or it could be all true.