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I recommend this read, "White Fragility": http://www.overcomingracism.org/resources/White-Fragility.pdf http://www.overcomingracism.org/resources/White-Fragilit

I recommend this read, "White Fragility": http://www.overcomingracism.org/resources/White-Fragility.pdf http://www.overcomingracism.org/resources/White-Fragility.pd...

rexicus 9y ago
Why are these off-topic posts in every submission today, did Mozilla sponsor another outreach?
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crowbahr 9y ago
I don't think it's fragility to fight against the slightest racist comments. I think it's the way every race should be. Nobody should have to 'endure' racist speech in the news articles they read, that's the goal any race should be striving to achieve. Just because it's not as bad as other hate speech doesn't mean it's not racist.
- Kinnard 9y ago
  Did you read the piece??
fragilewhiteman 9y ago
It's very Orwellian to try to convince white men that they are both a "dominant power" in need of "checking" (as if white men are some group that hangs together as an amorphous mass) and also at the same time fragile. Since the entire thing is some bizarre attempt to shame white men into stopping the things that make them so enviously successful, I guess all I can do is wish you luck in finding better tactics. These are transparently stupid.
- Kinnard 9y ago
  Did you read the piece?
  - ameister14 9y ago
    I did, and it was interesting to see that its author coined such a term 'white fragility'- it is almost as if they were deliberately working to provoke reactions that would reinforce the fundamental thesis of the paper. There are a lot of assumptions in this paper, and it makes statements based on those assumptions as if they are simply obviously true. It's not terribly well put-together or convincing if you don't initially agree with the statement the author is making, and it feels like it was written solely for the consumption of people who already possess the proper mindset and beliefs. For example, they take the sourced statement that 'good neighborhood' is coded language for 'white' and then apply that to all things. (Also, I looked into the source for that and it's much more complicated than this paper makes it appear, and does not in fact only mean 'white.') >The quality of white space being in large part measured via the absence of people of color (and Blacks in particular) is a profound message indeed, one that is deeply internalized and reinforced daily through normalized discourses about good schools and neighborhoods. I don't agree that this is a daily or normalized discourse. Do you often find yourself talking in veiled terms about how good the schools are in your area? I also noticed that it was extremely class-biased, effectively linking wealth and race so that they appear to work hand in hand and yet also displaying fundamental misconceptions about what 'normal' is, at least in the US. For example, the author seemed to assume that all white men go to college, when in reality it's closer to 30%.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  >Since the entire thing is some bizarre attempt to shame white men into stopping the things that make them so enviously successful What makes white men successful? And where does the article try to get them to stop doing that?
  - iswhitesuccess 9y ago
    (same person, different throwaway) It's not really my position that being a white man leads to success, but the social theorists insist that a combination of white skin and a penis are the magical route to "privilege" despite no real evidence that this is the case. I'm simply objecting on the terms that the (rather silly, in my view) argument is made in the first place.
    - sctb 9y ago
      Please don't use throwaways just to violate the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I recommend this read, "White Fragility": http://www.overcomingracism.org/resources/White-Fragility.pdf http://www.overcomingracism.org/resources/White-Fragility.pd...

rexicus 9y ago

Why are these off-topic posts in every submission today, did Mozilla sponsor another outreach?

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crowbahr 9y ago

I don't think it's fragility to fight against the slightest racist comments. I think it's the way every race should be. Nobody should have to 'endure' racist speech in the news articles they read, that's the goal any race should be striving to achieve. Just because it's not as bad as other hate speech doesn't mean it's not racist.

Kinnard 9y ago
Did you read the piece??

fragilewhiteman 9y ago

It's very Orwellian to try to convince white men that they are both a "dominant power" in need of "checking" (as if white men are some group that hangs together as an amorphous mass) and also at the same time fragile. Since the entire thing is some bizarre attempt to shame white men into stopping the things that make them so enviously successful, I guess all I can do is wish you luck in finding better tactics. These are transparently stupid.

Kinnard 9y ago
Did you read the piece?
- ameister14 9y ago
  I did, and it was interesting to see that its author coined such a term 'white fragility'- it is almost as if they were deliberately working to provoke reactions that would reinforce the fundamental thesis of the paper. There are a lot of assumptions in this paper, and it makes statements based on those assumptions as if they are simply obviously true. It's not terribly well put-together or convincing if you don't initially agree with the statement the author is making, and it feels like it was written solely for the consumption of people who already possess the proper mindset and beliefs. For example, they take the sourced statement that 'good neighborhood' is coded language for 'white' and then apply that to all things. (Also, I looked into the source for that and it's much more complicated than this paper makes it appear, and does not in fact only mean 'white.') >The quality of white space being in large part measured via the absence of people of color (and Blacks in particular) is a profound message indeed, one that is deeply internalized and reinforced daily through normalized discourses about good schools and neighborhoods. I don't agree that this is a daily or normalized discourse. Do you often find yourself talking in veiled terms about how good the schools are in your area? I also noticed that it was extremely class-biased, effectively linking wealth and race so that they appear to work hand in hand and yet also displaying fundamental misconceptions about what 'normal' is, at least in the US. For example, the author seemed to assume that all white men go to college, when in reality it's closer to 30%.
frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
>Since the entire thing is some bizarre attempt to shame white men into stopping the things that make them so enviously successful What makes white men successful? And where does the article try to get them to stop doing that?
- iswhitesuccess 9y ago
  (same person, different throwaway) It's not really my position that being a white man leads to success, but the social theorists insist that a combination of white skin and a penis are the magical route to "privilege" despite no real evidence that this is the case. I'm simply objecting on the terms that the (rather silly, in my view) argument is made in the first place.
  - sctb 9y ago
    Please don't use throwaways just to violate the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html