> Speed isn't necessarily one of the reasons for native. And how it is! I don't understand why people consider Java "fast". The JVM may be fast on pure server

> Speed isn't necessarily one of the reasons for native. And how it is! I don't understand why people consider Java "fast". The JVM may be fast on pure server applications. On clients however it is still unacceptably slow in comparison to native applications. Just consider Eclipse and compare it with Ada's GPS editor, or with native C++ IDE's. The startup time of Clojure applications is also still beyond acceptance for me. I know a lot of programming languages. Nim is one of the most productive ever. It is like safe programming C with the clean syntax of Python and the nice macro features of Lisp.