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I assume Google will try to replace Java with Dart, because they have recently been focused on Flutter [1] [2] and Fuschia [2] development which are (mostly) C+

I assume Google will try to replace Java with Dart, because they have recently been focused on Flutter [1] [2] and Fuschia [2] development which are (mostly) C++ and DartLang stack. [1]: https://flutter.io/ https://flutter.io/ [2]: https://github.com/flutter/ https://github.com/flutter/ [3]: https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror

_pmf_ 9y ago
> I assume Google will try to replace Java with Dart I would have expected this, but not after pushing Kotlin. Kotlin is shiny enough to temporarily distract the typical developer from the daily struggles with the abysmal Android API. Kotlin and Java it will be for the next 10 years, for better or worse. Dart is not very popular within Google itself, and Fuchsia is nothing more than a paid hobby project[0]. [0] See https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles_fuchsia_smartphone_os_dumps_linux_has_a/dhbjmvx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles... for a pretty damning review
- kyrra 9y ago
  Interesting link. One of the relies to the review of fuchsia gives a different view as to why there are inefficiencies in it: ..."All of the things you mentioned have known solutions making it easy to improve down the road."...[0] [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles_fuchsia_smartphone_os_dumps_linux_has_a/dhc34j8/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles...
- hooluupog 9y ago
  According to what Fuchsia developer Travis Geiselbrecht said in the public Fuchsia IRC channel,the OS “isn’t a toy thing, it’s not a 20% project, it’s not a dumping ground of a dead thing that we don’t care about anymore.”[0] [0]https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smartphone-os-dumps-linux-has-a-wild-new-ui/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smar...
- Ajedi32 9y ago
  Given the level of activity on [Fuchsia's project repos][0], I find it very unlikely that it's just a hobby project. That amount of activity is on-par with Android itself. If it is just a hobby, it's an extremely expensive one. [0]: https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror
- tym0 9y ago
  > Dart is not very popular within Google itself I was under the impression that pretty much all the frontend work at google was compiled from Dart.
  - _pmf_ 9y ago
    Only AdSense.
    - MR_HANDS 9y ago
      Isn't AdSense a pretty big deal within google?
      - JeremyBanks 9y ago
        Yes, the Ads organization is huge and has a large influence on front-end development in general at Google.
      - deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]
  - yrio 9y ago
    Dart is used for AdWords [0] and AdSense [1]. Both of which account for 89% of Google's revenue. It's also used for Google's internal CRM (Greentea), and Google Fiber. [0] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dart-we-asked.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dar... [1] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart...
- yrio 9y ago
  Dart is used for AdWords [0] and AdSense [1]. Both of which account for 89% of Google's revenue. It's also used for Google's internal CRM (Greentea), and Google Fiber. [0] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dart-we-asked.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dar... [1] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart...

_pmf_ 9y ago

> I assume Google will try to replace Java with Dart I would have expected this, but not after pushing Kotlin. Kotlin is shiny enough to temporarily distract the typical developer from the daily struggles with the abysmal Android API. Kotlin and Java it will be for the next 10 years, for better or worse. Dart is not very popular within Google itself, and Fuchsia is nothing more than a paid hobby project[0]. [0] See https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles_fuchsia_smartphone_os_dumps_linux_has_a/dhbjmvx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles... for a pretty damning review

kyrra 9y ago
Interesting link. One of the relies to the review of fuchsia gives a different view as to why there are inefficiencies in it: ..."All of the things you mentioned have known solutions making it easy to improve down the road."...[0] [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles_fuchsia_smartphone_os_dumps_linux_has_a/dhc34j8/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6a026o/googles...
hooluupog 9y ago
According to what Fuchsia developer Travis Geiselbrecht said in the public Fuchsia IRC channel,the OS “isn’t a toy thing, it’s not a 20% project, it’s not a dumping ground of a dead thing that we don’t care about anymore.”[0] [0]https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smartphone-os-dumps-linux-has-a-wild-new-ui/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smar...
Ajedi32 9y ago
Given the level of activity on [Fuchsia's project repos][0], I find it very unlikely that it's just a hobby project. That amount of activity is on-par with Android itself. If it is just a hobby, it's an extremely expensive one. [0]: https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror https://github.com/fuchsia-mirror
tym0 9y ago
> Dart is not very popular within Google itself I was under the impression that pretty much all the frontend work at google was compiled from Dart.
- _pmf_ 9y ago
  Only AdSense.
  - MR_HANDS 9y ago
    Isn't AdSense a pretty big deal within google?
    - JeremyBanks 9y ago
      Yes, the Ads organization is huge and has a large influence on front-end development in general at Google.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
- yrio 9y ago
  Dart is used for AdWords [0] and AdSense [1]. Both of which account for 89% of Google's revenue. It's also used for Google's internal CRM (Greentea), and Google Fiber. [0] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dart-we-asked.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dar... [1] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart...
yrio 9y ago
Dart is used for AdWords [0] and AdSense [1]. Both of which account for 89% of Google's revenue. It's also used for Google's internal CRM (Greentea), and Google Fiber. [0] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dart-we-asked.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/03/the-new-adwords-ui-uses-dar... [1] http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart.html http://news.dartlang.org/2016/10/google-adsense-angular-dart...