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> Xcode isn't perfect, but it's way better than JetBrains. O_o Are you kidding me? People whinge all the time about jetbrains subscriptions, but I've literall

> Xcode isn't perfect, but it's way better than JetBrains. O_o Are you kidding me? People whinge all the time about jetbrains subscriptions, but I've literally never spoken to someone who's actually used their products and think that the alternative editors available (visual studio, xcode, etc) are actually better. There are some features like UI designers that you can't do without, but it's been a long time since I met anyone who actually liked xcode.

melling 9y ago
Swift has Xcode and Jetbrains. There's no need to have an editor war. https://www.jetbrains.com/objc/ https://www.jetbrains.com/objc/
wruza 9y ago
I tried AppCode to write in objc on mac and it felt way less transparent and smooth than Xcode. Idk if Xcode is missing some features, but all my real issues probably exist in different planes. My Xcode inconvenience points are: case-insensitive completion sometimes gets in my way, as it is with single lettered variables; it is easy to break constraints for non-trivial xib. I can live with both. What is it for you, in short?
- coldtea 9y ago
  Unless very recently XCode also crashed like crazy. So there's that.
Tanegashima 9y ago
> People whinge all the time about jetbrains subscriptions, but I've literally never spoken to someone who's actually used their products and think that the alternative editors available (visual studio, xcode, etc) are actually better. Of course not, considering Xcode doesn't do Java. > There are some features like UI designers that you can't do without, but it's been a long time since I met anyone who actually liked xcode. You are now. Anecdotal evidence.
lilactown 9y ago
I've attempted to use IntelliJ for javascript/typescript (React, Node.js) and Elixir. I've found myself continually going back to VSCode or other editors. Especially for the front-end ecosystem, VSCode's intellisense, syntax highlighting and plugin support blows everyone else out of water IMO. I use IntelliJ/Android Studio for Java, and that's about it.

melling 9y ago

Swift has Xcode and Jetbrains. There's no need to have an editor war. https://www.jetbrains.com/objc/ https://www.jetbrains.com/objc/

wruza 9y ago

I tried AppCode to write in objc on mac and it felt way less transparent and smooth than Xcode. Idk if Xcode is missing some features, but all my real issues probably exist in different planes. My Xcode inconvenience points are: case-insensitive completion sometimes gets in my way, as it is with single lettered variables; it is easy to break constraints for non-trivial xib. I can live with both. What is it for you, in short?

coldtea 9y ago
Unless very recently XCode also crashed like crazy. So there's that.

Tanegashima 9y ago

> People whinge all the time about jetbrains subscriptions, but I've literally never spoken to someone who's actually used their products and think that the alternative editors available (visual studio, xcode, etc) are actually better. Of course not, considering Xcode doesn't do Java. > There are some features like UI designers that you can't do without, but it's been a long time since I met anyone who actually liked xcode. You are now. Anecdotal evidence.

lilactown 9y ago

I've attempted to use IntelliJ for javascript/typescript (React, Node.js) and Elixir. I've found myself continually going back to VSCode or other editors. Especially for the front-end ecosystem, VSCode's intellisense, syntax highlighting and plugin support blows everyone else out of water IMO. I use IntelliJ/Android Studio for Java, and that's about it.