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> Here in Ukraine it would be very hard to get adoption of a programming language that is named after a Russian military base. This sounds really stupid, consi

> Here in Ukraine it would be very hard to get adoption of a programming language that is named after a Russian military base. This sounds really stupid, considering that many Ukrainian programmers are already using JetBrains products and that punishing a great company for the actions of politicians is kind of sad.

Cthulhu_ 9y ago
Would you work in a programming language called Hitler? Any multinational company needs to do their research before deciding on a name.
- egeozcan 9y ago
  Hitler is universally offending and I would question the motives of its creators. OTOH, I couldn't care less if a language would be called gomix or ibne (same word in Turkish) or fag.
  - imron 9y ago
    > Hitler is universally offending It's not though, and there are many cultures in the world where people are so far removed from what happened that they don't have an understanding of why people would be upset about it. See: http://kotaku.com/man-opens-nazi-cafe-baffled-that-it-pisses-people-off-947580528 http://kotaku.com/man-opens-nazi-cafe-baffled-that-it-pisses... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Cafe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Cafe Plus numerous other examples
- AsyncAwait 9y ago
  Equating a programming language named after a Russian island to Hitler is a real stretch, unless you think that everything Russian is like Hitler. It's just an island and a language named after it.
  - epmaybe 9y ago
    Sure, but that's not really answering the question is it. I think I wouldn't necessarily put that I use Hitler on my CV, due to the negative feedback I would receive from others not in the field. But on the other hand, barely anyone in the United States has even heard of the island Kotlin, so I'd feel more comfortable doing that.
    - AsyncAwait 9y ago
      > I think I wouldn't necessarily put that I use Hitler on my CV, due to the negative feedback I would receive from others not in the field. But Kotlin IS NOT equivalent to Hitler AT ALL, Kotlin is like if you named your programming language "Texas" and somebody objected to the name, because "there are defence contractors located in Texas".
  - marcus_holmes 9y ago
    maybe the appropriate US version is "Pearl Harbour" - how would you feel about a language called PearlHarbour, and can see a situation where a (non-technical) hiring manager would take issue with that appearing on your CV?
    - mcphage 9y ago
      > maybe the appropriate US version is "Pearl Harbour" That doesn't quite work—Pearl Harbor was a US base, so most Americans would be okay with it. The negative associations we have with it are what was done to it & the people who served there. We're not angry or upset about the base itself.
  - wodencafe 9y ago
    What about Brainfuck?
- filomeno 9y ago
  What does the name of an individual have to do with that of an island? Wayland: I think it's the name of some America place. Should afghans, syrians, viets, [put whatever country the US invaded] stick to X11 because of this?
  - esrauch 9y ago
    I think it depends on more nuance than that: I do think it would be reasonable for people to avoid a language called Guantanamo because of the name associations. Wayland happens to be a place in MA but I'm from near there and even I had no idea or prior associations with that name because of the place.
    - AsyncAwait 9y ago
      Kotlin is not the military base, it is an island. Would you object to a language named "Cuba"?
      - alexvoda 9y ago
        Well there is this: https://www.cuba-platform.com/ https://www.cuba-platform.com/ So if you want to object you can do so already.
      - esrauch 9y ago
        And Guantanamo Bay is a bay besides also having a base there. I know nothing of Kotlin's specific name associations, but I don't think "it's the name of a place, therefore its fine" is valid in general. I think "Sandy Hook" would be an inappropriate name right now, while "Wayland" is fine, despite both being towns in the same general region of the world: one name invokes something specific in peoples minds and the other does not. Its sort of like how its generally not a good idea to be named "Isis" right now, despite having plenty of harmless associations unrelated to ISIS. You might be named after the Egyption god but you are still invoking an association that you don't really want to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_changes_due_to_the_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_changes_due_to_the_Islami...
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- contras1970 9y ago
  Yes I would. I have a friend who's called, quite lovingly so, Hitler in our circle. The nick has nothing to do with any of his beliefs or opinions (we wouldn't be friends if it did). The icing on the cake is my kids talking about "uncle Hitler", that's just laugh-your-way-to-coma material.
- ungzd 9y ago
  BTW, there's Stalin language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(Scheme_implementation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(Scheme_implementation)
- d0100 9y ago
  I would, as long as it can replace Java.
- t917910 9y ago
  Well, you already have java formal verification tool named Bandera http://bandera.projects.cs.ksu.edu/people.shtml http://bandera.projects.cs.ksu.edu/people.shtml (which name is obviously choosen by Oksana Tkachuk, one of the tool authors)
  - rbonvall 9y ago
    As a native Spanish speaker I'm not aware of any negative connotations of the word bandera. In Spanish it just means "flag", so any other meaning is hard to google for. What am I missing? Just curious.
    - t917910 9y ago
      one (Google Images): https://www.google.ru/search?q=bandera+una+unso&num=20&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&biw=1376&bih=703 https://www.google.ru/search?q=bandera+una+unso&num=20&newwi... two (Wikipedia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera If you want to piss off a clinical... eww, not a russian, but a post-soviet russian-speaking citizen of Russian Federation (with a little putin in his head), you may place a Stepan Bandera photo on your userpic and name youself as ukrainian nationalist. If you want to piss off a real ukrainian nationalist, you may use a Stalin phono, or any other communist leaders. From the point of sight of normal people, both of these sides is braindead. "A plague on both your houses".

Cthulhu_ 9y ago

Would you work in a programming language called Hitler? Any multinational company needs to do their research before deciding on a name.

egeozcan 9y ago
Hitler is universally offending and I would question the motives of its creators. OTOH, I couldn't care less if a language would be called gomix or ibne (same word in Turkish) or fag.
- imron 9y ago
  > Hitler is universally offending It's not though, and there are many cultures in the world where people are so far removed from what happened that they don't have an understanding of why people would be upset about it. See: http://kotaku.com/man-opens-nazi-cafe-baffled-that-it-pisses-people-off-947580528 http://kotaku.com/man-opens-nazi-cafe-baffled-that-it-pisses... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Cafe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Cafe Plus numerous other examples
AsyncAwait 9y ago
Equating a programming language named after a Russian island to Hitler is a real stretch, unless you think that everything Russian is like Hitler. It's just an island and a language named after it.
- epmaybe 9y ago
  Sure, but that's not really answering the question is it. I think I wouldn't necessarily put that I use Hitler on my CV, due to the negative feedback I would receive from others not in the field. But on the other hand, barely anyone in the United States has even heard of the island Kotlin, so I'd feel more comfortable doing that.
  - AsyncAwait 9y ago
    > I think I wouldn't necessarily put that I use Hitler on my CV, due to the negative feedback I would receive from others not in the field. But Kotlin IS NOT equivalent to Hitler AT ALL, Kotlin is like if you named your programming language "Texas" and somebody objected to the name, because "there are defence contractors located in Texas".
- marcus_holmes 9y ago
  maybe the appropriate US version is "Pearl Harbour" - how would you feel about a language called PearlHarbour, and can see a situation where a (non-technical) hiring manager would take issue with that appearing on your CV?
  - mcphage 9y ago
    > maybe the appropriate US version is "Pearl Harbour" That doesn't quite work—Pearl Harbor was a US base, so most Americans would be okay with it. The negative associations we have with it are what was done to it & the people who served there. We're not angry or upset about the base itself.
- wodencafe 9y ago
  What about Brainfuck?
filomeno 9y ago
What does the name of an individual have to do with that of an island? Wayland: I think it's the name of some America place. Should afghans, syrians, viets, [put whatever country the US invaded] stick to X11 because of this?
- esrauch 9y ago
  I think it depends on more nuance than that: I do think it would be reasonable for people to avoid a language called Guantanamo because of the name associations. Wayland happens to be a place in MA but I'm from near there and even I had no idea or prior associations with that name because of the place.
  - AsyncAwait 9y ago
    Kotlin is not the military base, it is an island. Would you object to a language named "Cuba"?
    - alexvoda 9y ago
      Well there is this: https://www.cuba-platform.com/ https://www.cuba-platform.com/ So if you want to object you can do so already.
    - esrauch 9y ago
      And Guantanamo Bay is a bay besides also having a base there. I know nothing of Kotlin's specific name associations, but I don't think "it's the name of a place, therefore its fine" is valid in general. I think "Sandy Hook" would be an inappropriate name right now, while "Wayland" is fine, despite both being towns in the same general region of the world: one name invokes something specific in peoples minds and the other does not. Its sort of like how its generally not a good idea to be named "Isis" right now, despite having plenty of harmless associations unrelated to ISIS. You might be named after the Egyption god but you are still invoking an association that you don't really want to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_changes_due_to_the_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_changes_due_to_the_Islami...
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contras1970 9y ago
Yes I would. I have a friend who's called, quite lovingly so, Hitler in our circle. The nick has nothing to do with any of his beliefs or opinions (we wouldn't be friends if it did). The icing on the cake is my kids talking about "uncle Hitler", that's just laugh-your-way-to-coma material.
ungzd 9y ago
BTW, there's Stalin language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(Scheme_implementation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(Scheme_implementation)
d0100 9y ago
I would, as long as it can replace Java.
t917910 9y ago
Well, you already have java formal verification tool named Bandera http://bandera.projects.cs.ksu.edu/people.shtml http://bandera.projects.cs.ksu.edu/people.shtml (which name is obviously choosen by Oksana Tkachuk, one of the tool authors)
- rbonvall 9y ago
  As a native Spanish speaker I'm not aware of any negative connotations of the word bandera. In Spanish it just means "flag", so any other meaning is hard to google for. What am I missing? Just curious.
  - t917910 9y ago
    one (Google Images): https://www.google.ru/search?q=bandera+una+unso&num=20&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&biw=1376&bih=703 https://www.google.ru/search?q=bandera+una+unso&num=20&newwi... two (Wikipedia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera If you want to piss off a clinical... eww, not a russian, but a post-soviet russian-speaking citizen of Russian Federation (with a little putin in his head), you may place a Stepan Bandera photo on your userpic and name youself as ukrainian nationalist. If you want to piss off a real ukrainian nationalist, you may use a Stalin phono, or any other communist leaders. From the point of sight of normal people, both of these sides is braindead. "A plague on both your houses".