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https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/tickets/ https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/tickets/ this is a live version, why need screenshot?

falsedan 9y ago
Because as someone new to the project, I have to spend a non-trivial amount of time to learn how to use a demo before I get to see how it works/whether I should consider it. It's marketing, and a proxy for how much they care about the user experience. A first-contact message of "You work it out" makes me worry that they will prioritize other technical work above user-facing interface issues.
- thewhitetulip 9y ago
  All you have to do is click one link. That is hardly non trivial. Also, there are screenshots, at least I found it in a non trivial way.
  - falsedan 9y ago
    As a new user, which link do I click on? Git, Wiki, …? How do I get to the "compare proposed changes against existing changes" screen? Does it allow me to make comments? How many lines can each comment be associated with? This is roughly what I want to find out. edit: I think it's great that you have the time/familiarity to work out how to use the product quickly. I need help to see the potential advantages quickly, and I'd appreciate it if the project made a big effort to show itself off. This isn't a knock against OSS projects; commercial projects are just as bad (or worse, since decision makers can always pay extra for support and shift blame to the vendor).
    - thewhitetulip 9y ago
      In the "WHAT IS ALLURA?" section The first link takes you to: https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/ https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/ Which tells you a LOT of information like "tickets" or "git" or "activity". now, if you are a tech person, you won't need any more information, this is already exactly same as soureforge, if you are non tech then my above comment does not apply to you.
      - falsedan 9y ago
        This isn't about me, it's about how the project is presenting itself. Blaming me for not getting it is missing the point: the project's presentation makes it hard for people who don't know what it is to work out if they should spend some time with it to work out if it's worth paying attention to. Saying "it's just like SourceForge" doesn't help me: the last time I earnestly used SF was with https://sourceforge.net/projects/sdlpl/files/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/sdlpl/files/, and it's changed a lot in the last 10 years, and my single question "can I do code reviews with this?" becomes two: "can I do code reviews with SF?" & "does this project attentively include every SF feature?" I looked at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/#code-repository https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/#code... , and I don't see any ability to comment on a proposed diff. But this might be an omission! My lunchtime is nearly over…
        thewhitetulip 9y ago
        I am sorry if I appeared to attack you, I had no intention :) you do have valid points, the project should be proactive in advertising.
- anentropic 9y ago
  from the first click I could see I would never want to use it...
sigi45 9y ago
Took me 5 minutes to find that page by my own. Screenshot or central link would be nice.

falsedan 9y ago

Because as someone new to the project, I have to spend a non-trivial amount of time to learn how to use a demo before I get to see how it works/whether I should consider it. It's marketing, and a proxy for how much they care about the user experience. A first-contact message of "You work it out" makes me worry that they will prioritize other technical work above user-facing interface issues.

thewhitetulip 9y ago
All you have to do is click one link. That is hardly non trivial. Also, there are screenshots, at least I found it in a non trivial way.
- falsedan 9y ago
  As a new user, which link do I click on? Git, Wiki, …? How do I get to the "compare proposed changes against existing changes" screen? Does it allow me to make comments? How many lines can each comment be associated with? This is roughly what I want to find out. edit: I think it's great that you have the time/familiarity to work out how to use the product quickly. I need help to see the potential advantages quickly, and I'd appreciate it if the project made a big effort to show itself off. This isn't a knock against OSS projects; commercial projects are just as bad (or worse, since decision makers can always pay extra for support and shift blame to the vendor).
  - thewhitetulip 9y ago
    In the "WHAT IS ALLURA?" section The first link takes you to: https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/ https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/ Which tells you a LOT of information like "tickets" or "git" or "activity". now, if you are a tech person, you won't need any more information, this is already exactly same as soureforge, if you are non tech then my above comment does not apply to you.
    - falsedan 9y ago
      This isn't about me, it's about how the project is presenting itself. Blaming me for not getting it is missing the point: the project's presentation makes it hard for people who don't know what it is to work out if they should spend some time with it to work out if it's worth paying attention to. Saying "it's just like SourceForge" doesn't help me: the last time I earnestly used SF was with https://sourceforge.net/projects/sdlpl/files/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/sdlpl/files/, and it's changed a lot in the last 10 years, and my single question "can I do code reviews with this?" becomes two: "can I do code reviews with SF?" & "does this project attentively include every SF feature?" I looked at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/#code-repository https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/wiki/Features/#code... , and I don't see any ability to comment on a proposed diff. But this might be an omission! My lunchtime is nearly over…
      - thewhitetulip 9y ago
        I am sorry if I appeared to attack you, I had no intention :) you do have valid points, the project should be proactive in advertising.
anentropic 9y ago
from the first click I could see I would never want to use it...

sigi45 9y ago

Took me 5 minutes to find that page by my own. Screenshot or central link would be nice.