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Hacker (possibly) behind the AT&T Ipad breach has been arrested. And it's weev.
- Daniel_Newby 16y agoFrom the educational documentary Hackers: JOEY That was me. That was me. I did that. DADE You did this from your house. Joey takes a drag from his cigarette and just nods, with a big grin on his face. PHREAK What are you, stoned or stupid? You don't hack a bank across state lines from your house, you'll get nailed by the FBI. Where are your brains, in your ass? Don't you know anything? CEREAL Stupid, man. It's universally stupid.
- blhack 16y agoWell how am I supposed to know anything if you guys never tell me anything!?!
- sliverstorm 16y agoKind of ruins my image of hackers, with all those high-profile drugs.
- surlyadopter 16y agoNo, he has a glorious neckbeard. He fits my stereotype perfectly!
- daeken 16y agoHe's always been known for his extreme drug use. While doing a presentation at Toorcon (I believe) a few years back, he was tripping fairly hard, and even made a comment not quite off mic to that effect. This isn't remotely shocking, really -- only a matter of time. Of course, most hackers I've known have had a similar love of drugs, just tend not to have, well, all of them at the same time.
- ronnier 16y agoDo you know if this is the same person? http://www.jewishreview.org/local/Police-question-two-men-about-threats-to-Jewish-community http://www.jewishreview.org/local/Police-question-two-men-ab... Edit: It appears to be.
- drivebyacct 16y agoWhy? Why do people still get hung up on people using drugs? Are you assuming he is an addict? Do you know he abuses them?
- dkuchar 16y agoI think he was being sarcastic.
- sliverstorm 16y agoI'm not judging, it just doesn't fit IMHO. A hacker using cocaine and psychedelics? That seems like an Olympic runner smoking cigars, if you follow my meaning.
- steveklabnik 16y agoIt's just body hacking.
- glhaynes 16y agoNot a computer hacker, but applicable I think: Paul Erdös. http://www.amphetamines.com/paul-erdos.html http://www.amphetamines.com/paul-erdos.html
- DrJokepu 16y agoI don't see how this is related. I know people who are lot smarter than me and I would call "hackers" who regularly consume cocaine. It's a (quite dangerous) lifestyle decision with disastrous long-term effects but very little, if any short-term effects on their intelligence or creativity.
- Alex3917 16y agoThis article doesn't really tell us anything. He could be drinking coca tea once every few months, or he could be smoking crack every day. Or he might just be a collector who doesn't even use the drugs. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.
- illumin8 16y ago
- ahoyhere 16y agoYou should read "What the Doormouse Said." Basically, modern micro-computer culture owes so much to counterculture/drug culture that it's beyond belief.
- chopsueyar 16y agoIf the scope of the warrant is for computer hardware/software, are his possession of these substances inadmissable?
- blhack 16y agoThey can't keep searching after they find what they're looking for, but if they notice something else while they're there, I think it's okay in the eyes of the law.
- dougmccune 16y agoI remember a police officer telling me they like getting warrants for small things. For example, if they have a bait car they're trying to get someone to steal they'll have a purse in there. If they can get a warrant that lets them search for a purse (or something the equivalent size) they can basically search everything in the house (anywhere a purse could be hidden), which means free reign to search all drawers, etc. Then anything they find in that search (drugs, etc) can all be used against the person. But if you're only looking for something big (like if someone stole a big screen TV) you're not allowed to search places that it can't possibly be hidden. But of course I am not a police officer and this was all casual conversation, so grain of salt you know?
- ryanwaggoner 16y agoI took Navy Security Forces training years ago and our instructors were all ex-cops. They said the exact same thing. It was basically all a big game to see how you could trick or manipulate the "suspect" into letting you violate their rights. Still makes me angry.
- boredguy8 16y agoYou're off a little bit, though this is a HUGELY unclear area in law right now. The term is the "plain View exception" or "plain view doctrine." It's why your trash is searchable if you put it out for pickup. It's why your trash is searchable over a fence if the lid is off. Horton v. California, while executing a narrowly issued warrant, officers found additional evidence "in plain view" and the Supreme Court ruled the evidence admissible. This question is particularly relevant to IT because different courts have ruled different ways on how "plain view" applies to computer searches. http://www.law.com/jsp/lawtechnologynews/PubArticleFriendlyLTN.jsp?id=1202458173965 http://www.law.com/jsp/lawtechnologynews/PubArticleFriendlyL... for a little on that particular question.
- mambodog 16y agoGoatse security group? Really?
- nym 16y ago"Gaping holes exposed"
- Sukotto 16y agoI never thought I'd see a relevant comment about Goatse on HN.
- illumin8 16y agoIt's actually their slogan: http://weev.livejournal.com/377701.html http://weev.livejournal.com/377701.html
- siculars 16y agoWhen I saw this was done by "Goatse Security" I loled all day long and loled some more at the thought of journalists around the world googling goatse.
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- fletchowns 16y agoIs putting random shit at the end of a URL really illegal?
- seiji 16y agoThere was this from a few years ago too: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/10611 http://www.securityfocus.com/news/10611 -- I think it was the same sort of "append a param to the URL" event. We're at a gaping chasm of misunderstanding here. Tech people see websites as things to be used and toyed with. Non-tech people see websites as things that have terms of service that are supposed to legally restrict what you can do. "YOU MUST NOT ACCESS THIS WEBSITE IN ANY AUTOMATED FASHION WHATSOEVER." They argue on a basis resembling: "You wouldn't break into the admissions office and steal the list of accepted candidates, would you?" We counter-argue that it's like knowing a person who can't lie to you. If you ask them for the result, they give you the result. Is it illegal to ask for an answer if they don't even hesitate to give it to you?
- surlyadopter 16y agoI think that is the same line of reasoning some warez/piracy sites used to put those "if you are a law enforcement personnel you are not allowed to view this website" messages.
- tvon 16y agoDoesn't that counter argument amount to "but it's easy, and tempting"?
- seiji 16y agoExactly right. Let's jump further in to not-quite-isomorphic-analogy land. Consider banks not having vaults and instead leaving their money sitting out in the open. It would be easy and tempting to swipe some. Doing so may be "wrong" technically, but by the availability and lack of security, one can presume the banks are aware of the risks and can tolerate some shrink. I would argue it's not wrong if they put no security in place, it's in a public place, and no person is denied a resource by your act of accessing the public resource with no security.
- sp332 16y agoI think the main reason the FBI got involved was not because the leak was massive or damaging, but to figure out whether he actually broke any laws. Or more realistically, to find something to charge him with.
- enjo 16y agoIt's an interstate complaint. I believe only the FBI has the ability to followup on it in the first place.
- uhhyeahdude 16y agoOh, weev... http://weev.livejournal.com/ http://weev.livejournal.com/ weev as the iProphet: http://the-iprophet.org/ http://the-iprophet.org/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5643217366887354926# http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5643217366887354926... (toorcon talk while tripping) http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Oct/82 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Oct/82 (some background, dox; sorry if this sort of thing is frowned upon here) The E.D. page: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Weev http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Weev Antisec: http://antisec.wordpress.com/ http://antisec.wordpress.com/ Goatse Security: http://security.goatse.fr/ http://security.goatse.fr/
- gizmo 16y agoSeem to be some hateful themes there. Is he just doing that for the heck of it or is it real?
- uhhyeahdude 16y agoweev is a trolls' troll, so I wouldn't take anything at face value. weev on trolling and troll culture: http://www.corrupt.org/act/interviews/weev http://www.corrupt.org/act/interviews/weev
- surlyadopter 16y agoI think weev is the first person to have crossed the trolling event horizon.
- delackner 16y agoAt what point is the trolling supposed to be put on hold for honest expression of his true beliefs? Most of that interview sounds like the words of someone who needs serious help.
- illumin8 16y agoWow, nice guy. I watched about 3 minutes of his toorcon talk and he seems to be advocating destroying internet infrastructure and committing as much crime as possible. Exploiting 0 days, etc. What a class act. We need more upstanding individuals like him in the "community." His livejournal is like looking inside the mind of a drugged out crazy. He seems to be anti-jew, anti-muslim, anti-gay, and affiliated with the Westboro Baptist Church somehow. Basically, if there is some psycho hate speech group on the Internet somewhere, he's probably in it. Not exactly security professional material, if you get my drift.
- sfall 16y agoI think that the best idea of what the security group did was comparable to calling up a company that does not provide a directory and the group showed you can easily create that directory but didn't publish it
- drivebyacct 16y agoWow. He's crazy, loves God and Fred Phelps. http://www.queerty.com/andrew-auernheimer-saved-your-ipad-from-atts-security-flaw-he-also-loves-fred-phelps-20100618/ http://www.queerty.com/andrew-auernheimer-saved-your-ipad-fr...