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If it is worth it then why complain so much ?

ceejayoz 9y ago
Because it doesn't necessarily have to cost that much. There are world-class universities in Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. that don't cost $60k+ a year.
- muninn_ 9y ago
  Eh, I tend to disagree. Great university's for sure, but the large majority of universities (particularly those accessible to anybody) reside in the United States. Now, I do agree that a university education doesn't have to cost as much as it does, but the scale of world-class universities in the rest of the world is dwarfed by the United States. Maybe students should not stop coming to US schools if they cost so much, as well. Idk?
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    > Great university's for sure, but the large majority of universities (particularly those accessible to anybody) reside in the United States. There are 4,140 in the US. https://www.infoplease.com/us/higher-education/number-us-colleges-and-universities-and-degrees-awarded-2005 https://www.infoplease.com/us/higher-education/number-us-col... There are about 4,000 in Europe. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:c11067 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:c...
    - selectodude 9y ago
      Europe has 750 million people and fewer universities.
      - ceejayoz 9y ago
        I have no idea what point you're trying to make with that tidbit. The US demonstrably does not have the "large majority" of universities as was claimed.
    - muninn_ 9y ago
      Apologies, I meant to type "the large majority of great universities". Obviously there are more universities across the planet combined than there are in the United States.
      - ceejayoz 9y ago
        I remain dubious of that updated claim. The UK alone has several Ivy-level institutions.
        muninn_ 9y ago
        Sure. There are good universities all over the planet. The US is by far the best.
        ceejayoz 9y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_assertion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_assertion
        muninn_ 9y ago
        Did you mean bold? It looks like you spelled it wrong in that link.
- subterfudge4 9y ago
  > Because it doesn't necessarily have to cost that much. Makes no sense to me. Any person who thinks something is more expensive than it can be; can start his own college and win over the market while making a lot of money. How can a person claim to know the value of other people's labor ?
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    > Makes no sense to me. Any person who thinks something is more expensive than it can be; can start his own college and win over the market while making a lot of money. No, because there are enormous barriers to entry. We can, however, see that many other countries have similarly good universities that don't cost as much per pupil. > How can a person claim to know the value of other people's labor ? Every person who has ever hired someone does that.
    - subterfudge4 9y ago
      > see that many other countries And which are those countries ? Very few countries in the world have enrolment close to that of USA. Of course American students should go to those countries then. > Every person who has ever hired someone does that. Never. People hire people based on value to them not to the employees.

Because it doesn't necessarily have to cost that much. There are world-class universities in Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. that don't cost $60k+ a year.

muninn_ 9y ago
Eh, I tend to disagree. Great university's for sure, but the large majority of universities (particularly those accessible to anybody) reside in the United States. Now, I do agree that a university education doesn't have to cost as much as it does, but the scale of world-class universities in the rest of the world is dwarfed by the United States. Maybe students should not stop coming to US schools if they cost so much, as well. Idk?
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  > Great university's for sure, but the large majority of universities (particularly those accessible to anybody) reside in the United States. There are 4,140 in the US. https://www.infoplease.com/us/higher-education/number-us-colleges-and-universities-and-degrees-awarded-2005 https://www.infoplease.com/us/higher-education/number-us-col... There are about 4,000 in Europe. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:c11067 http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:c...
  - selectodude 9y ago
    Europe has 750 million people and fewer universities.
    - ceejayoz 9y ago
      I have no idea what point you're trying to make with that tidbit. The US demonstrably does not have the "large majority" of universities as was claimed.
  - muninn_ 9y ago
    Apologies, I meant to type "the large majority of great universities". Obviously there are more universities across the planet combined than there are in the United States.
    - ceejayoz 9y ago
      I remain dubious of that updated claim. The UK alone has several Ivy-level institutions.
      - muninn_ 9y ago
        Sure. There are good universities all over the planet. The US is by far the best.
        ceejayoz 9y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_assertion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_assertion
        muninn_ 9y ago
        Did you mean bold? It looks like you spelled it wrong in that link.
subterfudge4 9y ago
> Because it doesn't necessarily have to cost that much. Makes no sense to me. Any person who thinks something is more expensive than it can be; can start his own college and win over the market while making a lot of money. How can a person claim to know the value of other people's labor ?
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  > Makes no sense to me. Any person who thinks something is more expensive than it can be; can start his own college and win over the market while making a lot of money. No, because there are enormous barriers to entry. We can, however, see that many other countries have similarly good universities that don't cost as much per pupil. > How can a person claim to know the value of other people's labor ? Every person who has ever hired someone does that.
  - subterfudge4 9y ago
    > see that many other countries And which are those countries ? Very few countries in the world have enrolment close to that of USA. Of course American students should go to those countries then. > Every person who has ever hired someone does that. Never. People hire people based on value to them not to the employees.