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Keeping whales and dolphins in a big fish tank for people to gawk it is anything but noble. People keep repeating this myth that the animals are "rescued". Some

Keeping whales and dolphins in a big fish tank for people to gawk it is anything but noble. People keep repeating this myth that the animals are "rescued". Some of them are bred in captivity. Do you really think it's noble to breed whales and keep them captive? Edited to add that they also loan out animals so other institutions can breed MORE whales and dolphins to be kept in captivity. To me, that's pretty awful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Aquarium#Animals_at_the_Aquarium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Aquarium#Animals_at_...

derefr 9y ago
If an animal is bred in captivity, such that said animal learns no wilderness survival skills by adulthood and thus would no longer be capable of surviving in the wild... then yes, I would call it "rescuing" the animal to give it as comfortable a non-wilderness home to live in as is possible. And I would definitely not call it "rescuing" (like PETA does) to release the animal into the wild, where it will immediately die.
- jamesgagan 9y ago
  Surely your comment is a joke. Breeding whales in captivity = rescuing them? Really?
  - pvaldes 9y ago
    > Breeding whales in captivity = rescuing them? Really? Really. This is the definition of rescuing them. Some whales have very low populations. There could be less than 30 estimated vaquitas alive in reproductive age and is an species exclusive to USA and Mejico that only has one single baby each two years. Is imperative starting breeding it on captivity as soon as possible. You can release the grandsons of a captive animal, but not a single specimen of a wild and free extinct species. When is gone is gone and there is not more baijis to be released. Too little, too late.
  - derefr 9y ago
    No, I said, taking whales that were bred in captivity from bad caretakers, and moving them to good caretakers, is rescuing them. Taking children from abusive parents, and giving them to foster parents, is rescuing those children. Taking pets from abusive owners, and giving them to the ASPCA, is rescuing those pets. So taking now-unable-to-survive-in-the-wild wildlife from abusive caretakers or breeders, and giving them to wildlife preservation organizations, is...? (Note that I don't believe in paying the breeders for their whales; that just incentivizes making more captive whales. They should be confiscated by law-enforcement, and then law-enforcement should place them with a rescue organization they have a partnership with.)
MAGZine 9y ago
Breeding is actually an open question for many people. The Vancouver park board (authority of VA), however, banned breeding of non-threatened species in 2014.
mthoms 9y ago
Counterpoint: Breeding is a natural instinct and one of the few normal (and fulfilling) activities captive mammals can still participate in. It may not be noble to force them to breed, sure. But is it a noble to deny them the right to breed if they are naturally inclined? To be clear, I don't pretend to know the answer, I'm just pointing out that it's a much more complicated moral issue than you are letting on.
- bobbington 9y ago
  I think they started doing artificial insemination to increase chances of pregnancy
d0100 9y ago
You seem to be projecting human emotions unto animals. Captivity for animals is not the same as for humans.

derefr 9y ago

If an animal is bred in captivity, such that said animal learns no wilderness survival skills by adulthood and thus would no longer be capable of surviving in the wild... then yes, I would call it "rescuing" the animal to give it as comfortable a non-wilderness home to live in as is possible. And I would definitely not call it "rescuing" (like PETA does) to release the animal into the wild, where it will immediately die.

jamesgagan 9y ago
Surely your comment is a joke. Breeding whales in captivity = rescuing them? Really?
- pvaldes 9y ago
  > Breeding whales in captivity = rescuing them? Really? Really. This is the definition of rescuing them. Some whales have very low populations. There could be less than 30 estimated vaquitas alive in reproductive age and is an species exclusive to USA and Mejico that only has one single baby each two years. Is imperative starting breeding it on captivity as soon as possible. You can release the grandsons of a captive animal, but not a single specimen of a wild and free extinct species. When is gone is gone and there is not more baijis to be released. Too little, too late.
- derefr 9y ago
  No, I said, taking whales that were bred in captivity from bad caretakers, and moving them to good caretakers, is rescuing them. Taking children from abusive parents, and giving them to foster parents, is rescuing those children. Taking pets from abusive owners, and giving them to the ASPCA, is rescuing those pets. So taking now-unable-to-survive-in-the-wild wildlife from abusive caretakers or breeders, and giving them to wildlife preservation organizations, is...? (Note that I don't believe in paying the breeders for their whales; that just incentivizes making more captive whales. They should be confiscated by law-enforcement, and then law-enforcement should place them with a rescue organization they have a partnership with.)

MAGZine 9y ago

Breeding is actually an open question for many people. The Vancouver park board (authority of VA), however, banned breeding of non-threatened species in 2014.

mthoms 9y ago

Counterpoint: Breeding is a natural instinct and one of the few normal (and fulfilling) activities captive mammals can still participate in. It may not be noble to force them to breed, sure. But is it a noble to deny them the right to breed if they are naturally inclined? To be clear, I don't pretend to know the answer, I'm just pointing out that it's a much more complicated moral issue than you are letting on.

bobbington 9y ago
I think they started doing artificial insemination to increase chances of pregnancy

d0100 9y ago

You seem to be projecting human emotions unto animals. Captivity for animals is not the same as for humans.