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> The only way it will change is everyone buys organic or true free range. The costs are too expensive for me to buy all the time Both of those terms are prett

> The only way it will change is everyone buys organic or true free range. The costs are too expensive for me to buy all the time Both of those terms are pretty meaningless, and their ineffectual enforcement makes them even less so. The solution isn't to humane-wash, it's to stop eating things that come out of chickens' anuses.

freeflight 9y ago
The terms might be meaningless, but that still shouldn't stop you from sourcing your meat/poultry locally from a farmer where you can witness the living conditions of the animals yourself before buying. That way you are not only doing something healthy for yourself and the animals, it's also supporting the local economy in a meaningful way.
- animal_dude 9y ago
  > That way you are not only doing something healthy for yourself and the animals, it's also supporting the local economy in a meaningful way. There is nothing healthy about consuming animals. Not for humans, not for animals, not for this planet, not for anyone. And a similar "supporting the economy" justification was used in defense of slavery, which you're still supporting in another form.
  - freeflight 9y ago
    >And a similar "supporting the economy" justification was used in defense of slavery, which you're still supporting in another form. Seriously... I advocate people being more aware of where they get their food and cutting down on their meat intake and your first reflex is to compare it to advocating slavery? Sorry but behavior like that is exactly the reason why barely anybody likes vegans or takes them seriously. Change doesn't happen in massive paradigm shifts, it happens slowly. You won't convince 7 billion people to stop consuming animal products from one day to another. So let's be a little bit realistic and start with small steps which people are actually willing to take, wouldn't that be an actual start?

freeflight 9y ago

The terms might be meaningless, but that still shouldn't stop you from sourcing your meat/poultry locally from a farmer where you can witness the living conditions of the animals yourself before buying. That way you are not only doing something healthy for yourself and the animals, it's also supporting the local economy in a meaningful way.

animal_dude 9y ago
> That way you are not only doing something healthy for yourself and the animals, it's also supporting the local economy in a meaningful way. There is nothing healthy about consuming animals. Not for humans, not for animals, not for this planet, not for anyone. And a similar "supporting the economy" justification was used in defense of slavery, which you're still supporting in another form.
- freeflight 9y ago
  >And a similar "supporting the economy" justification was used in defense of slavery, which you're still supporting in another form. Seriously... I advocate people being more aware of where they get their food and cutting down on their meat intake and your first reflex is to compare it to advocating slavery? Sorry but behavior like that is exactly the reason why barely anybody likes vegans or takes them seriously. Change doesn't happen in massive paradigm shifts, it happens slowly. You won't convince 7 billion people to stop consuming animal products from one day to another. So let's be a little bit realistic and start with small steps which people are actually willing to take, wouldn't that be an actual start?