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Frankly, I think your belief is due to lack of knowledge. As a current PhD student who knows several ML researchers at Google, there is fair bit of marketing in
by aub3bhat 9y ago
Frankly, I think your belief is due to lack of knowledge. As a current PhD student who knows several ML researchers at Google, there is fair bit of marketing involved in creating perception of Google supremacy. while no doubt Google is a leader in AI, their advantage is not as great as it would appear by reading the comments here.
At the same time other companies, Apple /Salesforce / Amazon / Oracle and several other smaller ones are well aware of threat posed by Google and are always on the lookout for ML/CV startup that can fill the gap in products relative to Googles offering. E.g. Amazon acquired Orbeus around same time Google launched Cloud Vision.
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoWe fund a ML research arm at the University of Alberta, give me a break with this. I'm not talking about just Google. Its AFGAM: Apple, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft You can add Baidu in there too probably. That's it though. always on the lookout for ML/CV startup that can fill the gap in products relative to Googles offering Right, acquire. Not compete. That's the point. You can't actually compete with these companies, like they did in the past with HP, Dell, Nokia etc... the best you can hope for is to be acquired.
- aub3bhat 9y agoFunding is not knowing. There are always new markets which get ignored. Apple, Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft did not compete with HP, Dell, Nokia they essentially entered a new market. Most ML startups don't offer a new product but rather just enable features and acquisition is often the intended end goal.
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoYou're missing the point. We expect that DNNs will a fundamental thread to computing going forward. AFGAM has effectively locked up all of the talent and data in the broadest markets already. Not only that they are building and deploying the frameworks that new products will be built on in those other markets. So they don't need to create the product, they just need YOU to use Tensorflow or CUDA or whatever they come up with that runs on GoogleCloudGPU or Azure Compute etc... What you're missing is that it's not about making a few million as a startup. It's that they are so far ahead in what is the most fundamental game changing, final human technology that I don't see a future where they are unseated.
- roymurdock 9y ago> final human technology Can you share your reasoning behind this opinion? Humans have invented a lot of tools and technological platforms over the years, what makes you think ML is the final frontier?
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoA lot of people have written about this over the years. I'll just let Yoshua Bengio go into it: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHYXp3gJCaI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHYXp3gJCaI
- nightski 9y agoWhile deep learning and related technologies are exciting and extremely powerful, they have not yet proven that they will achieve the "final human technology" status that you are proposing. We may be centuries away from that, and at this point trying to speculate is foolish. However, even if they don't live up to those lofty outlandish prospects, they will still prove very valuable and useful.
- monkmartinez 9y agoWhat is "proven" to you? I mean, the tech displayed today is basically unmatched by most humans. Curating the best shots in Google Photos, all the integration with Google Home, Lens that can identify almost any object in meat space... the list goes on and on. It is not going to regress somehow... I mean, it is probably exponentially increasing in power by the day. There is no AI competition against a company that has Tensor Processing Units among the absolutely incomprehensible data store that Google has amassed.... Especially if you are not some world class mathematician or computer scientist. The best you can hope for is to be acquired if you are in the ML/AI space as a stand-alone entity. In most cases they can probably safely ignore the bulk of AI startups.
- eanzenberg 9y agoThat's still only computer vision and speech recognition. Google still does piss-poor at answering your questions using snippets.
- astrostl 9y agoBless you for defining "AFGAM" - search engines weren't helping, and I was trying to put things like ML and AI in for context.
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoHa, sorry about that. It's also been called FAMGA[1]. [1]https://www.google.com/search?q=FAMGA https://www.google.com/search?q=FAMGA
- bbcbasic 9y agoOK. I'll coin the phrase: Afgamistan.
- jboggan 9y agoThis is an excellent initialismanteau, I will have to use it.