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Google I/O 2017
- angryasian 9y agolink to direct youtube live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2VF8tmLFHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2VF8tmLFHw
- Numberwang 9y agoI always hate their confusing sites. Why is your link not showing the same as https://events.google.com/io/ https://events.google.com/io/ what should I be watching? edit. seems your link work and my stream does not. thank you for stopping me from missing the event.
- adrianlmm 9y agoThe irony, YouTube can't keep up with the streaming.
- eugeneionesco 9y agoIt can, it's your network that's the issue.
- adrianlmm 9y agoMy network is fine, and it broadcasted Build 2017 w/o problems.
- Grazester 9y agoStreaming on my tv in high def via my chromecast without an issue.
- recursion 9y agoMy wallet is ready. Hoping for some nice new devices.
- Top19 9y agoCame to this thread wondering if the Firebase issue from earlier was going to spill over, but yes also hoping for some cool stuff as well and keep refreshing Twitter :)
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- noja 9y agoSamsung Chromebook Pro should be announced
- nailer 9y agoHope for some way of making sure Android doesn't turn into Windows XP (ie, millions of no longer supported devices connected to the internet).
- ctz 9y agoDoesn't? It's already a much bigger problem than Windows XP. There are billions of Android devices shipped each year, and a miniscule proportion get updates. Even the best devices for updates only get them for a couple of years. If this isn't a disaster bigger than Windows XP, it'll only be because most of the devices end up in landfill.
- Keyframe 9y agoI would like to know more about that black magic of removing things from photos in the foreground.
- brndnmtthws 9y agoIf you have moving subjects (i.e., people in a public place walking past) you can take multiple shots and finagle it with your preferred image editor. Other techniques using variations on this, or just simply copying/pasting from other parts of the image (clone tool).
- Keyframe 9y agoI know about clean plate techniques like that, even use them often in production... haven't realised it's the same. Looking at the link in sibling comment to yours now.
- cookiecaper 9y agoYeah, a lot of these things that get wrapped up as super-futuristic innovations that use the hottest buzzwords are really just ways to apply old techniques more efficiently. Since phones provide a platform for a robust software camera, instead of requiring the user to manually snap 9 shots for HDR, the phone just does it for you in rapid succession. Some DSLRs will do this automatically too with 3 shots, but they are much worse at providing a space for robust software assistance. It sounds like obstruction removal is the same kind of thing, where the phone actually captures a snippet of video and automatically differences that for you, instead of having the photographer take multiple photos and difference them manually in Photoshop (as has been done for a long time, e.g. [0]). And since Google automatically uploads all of your content, they can analyze it on their servers and return an asynchronous result. They do this for auto-generated animations, panoramas, and movies; it doesn't all have to be performed on the local device and they can take their time. This is not to poo-poo such developments; I think it's awesome that I can use Cardboard Camera and get a stereoscopic 3D image of my surroundings. Even special-built 360 cameras like the Theta S struggle with stereoscopy. I would love to see Canon or other camera makers innovate by providing a DSLR platform that makes it easy to load new software macros that enable cooler shooting and processing modes (with the caveat that the DSLR must never allow these to slow the device's operation in no-macro mode). The best we can do now is a full-custom firmware like Magic Lantern [1], which is cool and all, but when I tried it on my 6D, the camera response time was much slower and the sound recording didn't work on the build I installed, resulting in a couple of home videos without audio. I took ML off and haven't been inclined to try again. [0] http://www.deke.com/content/dekes-techniques-022-removing-people-with-image-stacks http://www.deke.com/content/dekes-techniques-022-removing-pe... [1] http://www.magiclantern.fm/ http://www.magiclantern.fm/
- wavesounds 9y agoLCD Soundsystem had this giant farewell show at Madison Square Garden complete with documentary and album saying it was there last show ever. Now they've come back to play tech conferences? Lame
- belak 9y agoThey actually reunited a few years ago, have been playing shows since then, and are releasing a new album this year. They didn't get back together just to play a show at a tech conference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD_Soundsystem#Reunion_and_new_album_.282015.E2.80.93present.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD_Soundsystem#Reunion_and_ne...
- jdhawk 9y agoYeah, they were a headliner at Austin City Limits last year...
- 0003 9y ago"Have my router pw, Google" edit: Should have emphasized the using camera part.
- halflings 9y ago1) It already has it when you enter the password manually. 2) What do you think Google will do with your router password?
- 0003 9y agoYes. But are we really going to ingrain our mindset that taking pictures of passwords & sending them to the Cloud is safe?
- yincrash 9y agoTons of people already save their passwords in Chrome/SmartLock
- halflings 9y agoPeople already take pictures of their router passwords. There's a reason Google introduced this feature, they must have done studies and discovered this is a really widespread practice. If anything, this makes things more secure by automatically signing you in (so you don't need to save the picture on your device and in the cloud).
- emsy 9y agoI've always been somewhat underwhelmed by AI stuff but Google is rocking it. As a long time iPhone user I'm really tempted by their stuff (if it wasn't for the privacy creep). Apple isn't even in the same league as Google when it comes to AI and services.
- Grazester 9y ago"Apple isn't even in the same league as Google when it comes to AI and services." Not many companies are.
- tgummerer 9y agoAre any?
- halflings 9y agoFacebook is the closest.
- amaks 9y agoI think Amazon and Microsoft are closer.
- k__ 9y agoReally? Amazon recommendations are really bad and Echo is just answering predefined sentences.
- xanderstrike 9y agoThey may be, but they're not using their AI knowledge to drive better features or experiences for their users. It seems like they're just using it to deliver better advertising.
- pas 9y agoHave you seen the f8 video about real-time photo/video enhancements via AI? They very much like to roll that out as soon as it works on most phones.
- return0 9y agoGoogle in full offence on ML/AI. Their computing advantage enables them to outperform everyone else at this point. AI dominance and monopoly is in sight.
- lanestp 9y agoThe I/O keynote always bothers me. Apple and AWS have great Keynotes that get me excited to develop on their platforms. Google's always comes across as too self congratulating.
- krzyk 9y agoYou mentioned that Apple has great Keynotes and at the same time you wrote that "Google's always too self congratulating"? Didn't you mean the opposite? Apple is always so self centered on their presentation that it is hard to watch.
- lanestp 9y agoThey're self centered but it's about stuff that is relevant to me. All this talk about Google Assistant is useless to me as a developer. At least Apple talks about stuff I'm able to plug into.
- servercobra 9y agoYou can write apps for the Assistant now.
- itp 9y agoGoogle Assistant should be useful to you in many ways as a developer. It's become an open platform from several directions.
- bobsam 9y agoAre you really watching the keynote? They literally just released TPUs to developers. Last time I watched wwdc they had staged a standing ovation for a trashcan...
- Sargos 9y agoA quarter of this presentation has been how Assistant can help your app integrate with the user via the SDK/Actions.
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- sirwitti 9y agoWhy, oh why is the sound that bad? Sounds like they're adding reverb for the live sound and just use that for the stream...
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- obstinate 9y agoIt's at Shoreline amphitheatre, so a little reverberation is kinda inevitable. Someone should develop an AI to delete reverb, though.
- Sargos 9y agoThey are actually using machine learning to reduce echo/feedback in Duo. It's not perfect but I think the technique is pretty cool.
- sirwitti 9y agoOf course there will be reverb for everyone there, but the microphones are very close and should pick up almost not reverb...
- cat199 9y agodon't think that would really require 'AI', no? or is 'AI' the new 'Algorithm' like 'API' is the new 'server'
- obstinate 9y agoDefinitely the latter.
- kbenson 9y agoI don't have time to watch this, but I would like to go back and find highlights and hear about some interesting stuff earlier than later. Can someone point out a good liveblog/livetweet source?
- Symmetry 9y agoHere: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11409/the-google-io-2017-keynote-live-blog http://www.anandtech.com/show/11409/the-google-io-2017-keyno...
- flinty 9y agoThe verge usually does a 10 minute summary video covering the big announcements minus the annoying attempts at humor and banter
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- holydude 9y agoThese Google people. They are so full of themselves. Yet they fail to deliver a profitable product besides serving ads
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- simooooo 9y agoSeems like they are doing pretty well to me..
- noja 9y agoMonthly Android updates everywhere please.
- nailer 9y agoYep. And tie it to 'Google Experience'. No updates? Then no Play store, no Gmail.
- ChuckMcM 9y agoBased on the Google I/O talk about actions/home/etc it is seems like they are speaking directly to Amazon. Clearly they aren't looking at Facebook, Apple, or Microsoft here. They have Alexa in their sights. That said, I really hope they improve the hands free SMS interactions. My phone tells me I have a text and asks me to say 'listen' to hear it, but it doesn't start listening for the word until it beeps, so we enter into a staccato repeated 'listen' wait 'listen' wait then finally the text is read. Then after its read, it says "Say Ok to send a respond" not just "Would you like to respond?" where answering yes or no would be fine. It never vocalizes what special phrase you have to use to answer in the negative (if you're wondering it is 'cancel'). So here's hoping for a much better dialoging system.
- sbuttgereit 9y agoI don't know. Much of the reason I keep Facebook at all is because I share photos with family and friends.... what they're talking about right now (Google Photos) pretty much solves that problem without my friends/family just needing a phone.... which means I don't really need Facebook for the one reason I've kept it.
- doublerebel 9y agoSame, this drives me nuts. I also should be able to interrupt it when sending a text, specifying a contact, or confirming -- I'm always ready to answer before it is ready. But like Maps, there seems to be a bizarre anti-UX in Google Now where the functionality has actually gotten worse over time. Recall Google's 1-800 number and their SMS search service?? I used to point to those as examples of how user friendly I imagined interfaces would become. But we've headed in the other direction instead and of course those products are dead.
- meow_mix 9y agoGreat stuff for google home but I thought they already had almost all of this
- plg 9y agoThis all looks awesome (e.g. google assistant, google lens, google home, etc) but I would rather pay some $ for the service and have the guarantee that my data are my data ... than have it for free and have google mine my data to sell me ads or sell profiles to who knows who. Maybe others are willing to trade the privacy creep for it being "free" but I'm not. It would be great to have the option.
- aesthetics1 9y agoGoogle simply does not do this. They are very transparent about their security and privacy policies and I encourage you to read through the policies. Google uses the data internally to improve your experience - they are not in the business of selling your data to third parties.
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- warkdarrior 9y ago> Google [...] are not in the business of selling your data Not today, not yet
- Goronmon 9y agoIf that is your concern, how would paying into the system improve things in anyway?
- mercutio2 9y agoGoogle most certainly does mine your data to sell ads. The incentives are very poorly aligned if you don't like ads and you want to use Google services.
- Jordrok 9y agoThat really doesn't make me feel any better.
- tsycho 9y agoGoogle Photos "shared libraries" looks awesome!
- forgot-my-pw 9y agoJust be careful not to take nudes while your kids photos sit in a frame behind you. Auto send to mom.
- TeMPOraL 9y agoWe're in for some fun times.
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoHonestly, as someone who has been playing around with/working with AI in some form (previously bayes nets etc...) since the 90s and trying since 2012 to build our computer vision company - every keynote from AFGAM makes me want to give up a little more each time. It's like even with a world class AI team the majors just blow past everyone with their on demand scale, access to data, hardware, people and distribution. In the past three weeks the products that were shown at conferences (GTC, Build, I/O) would have been 100 different independent companies, with very highly trained, specialized PhD level researchers and developers only 5 years ago. Now this stuff is just baked in to the top platforms. This has been happening for a while, and I've been saying it for a while too. No clue where to go from here honestly. edit: The point I didn't make here but is subtext is that, IMO ML/AI is the last frontier for technology (an IMO humanity) so if a few dominate it, its kind of game over for the existence of smaller players generally.
- blhack 9y agoKeep in mind you're watching a marketing demo.
- wsinks 9y agoI know this to be the case. It's all careful shown for the moment.
- jboggan 9y agoLook at the flipside - for the people who want to focus on applications of ML instead of futzing with platforms and implementations this sort of environment is a godsend. Compare what it took to keep a server/website/database up in the late 90's compared to something turnkey like Heroku today. It frees up a lot of developer time and energy for building the next layer of innovative things!
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoThe "flipside" is that some of the best minds in AI basically have only 2 choices coming out of school: - AFGAM - Military The period of being able to build your own competitive AI startup was...what, like 3 years between 2010 and 2013?
- gallerdude 9y agoThe demos always get a bit excessive. I'm no journalist, but I'd be way happier if they just told us what they added and moved on.
- jpalomaki 9y agoI agree, but I think this also about training people to use the features. Something Apple has is also doing on their events.
- graphitezepp 9y agoI feel like if tech announcements should just be basically patch notes. Why all the pomp?
- ralusek 9y agoThe answer is obvious: some people like it.
- davesque 9y agoI know it's just par for the course, but I always get annoyed how peppy and fake these keynotes are. When they go with this kind of faux-personal style where they're staging calls to their mother on stage, etc. It actually comes across as the opposite of personal and just seems really rehearsed and distracting. I'm actually not sure who they're speaking to exactly when they go with this approach as I feel like most other people would have the same reaction as me. But I guess I don't know that for sure.
- blhack 9y agoI don't think we're really the audience for these conferences, though. This is to generate hype for the company, and to encourage people to buy google's products. Pretty much everything on here so far has been consumer-targeted.
- davesque 9y agoThat's kinda my point though. Are there really any non-developers watching this? I don't feel like there are probably many consumers watching since Google just doesn't have the rock-star power that Apple does. Maybe there are tech journalists watching or other similar industry figures, but I don't feel like this presentational style is actually required, on a psychological level, to engage with people like that. In truth, I guess I just enjoy poking fun at the circus of American big-business culture.
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- znpy 9y agoSo Youtube is announcing "super chats"... Basically if you pay, your message to a live stream is highlighted so that the streamer can notice it. Basically is the camgirl business model, fifteen years later. Nothing bad, just...lol.
- Kiro 9y agoA more relevant comparison would be donations and cheering on Twitch.
- znpy 9y agoI basically never used twitch, not my thing. But still, I guess they also "copied" this feature :)
- ashark 9y agoIt's also definitely been used on Twitch in exactly the way it was with those they "copied" it from. They cracked down on it, but there's only so much you can do with dress code policies et c. Considering there's more than a hint of this already all over Youtube without this feature, I hope their moderators are prepared for some long hours.
- ehsankia 9y agoDon't worry, when Twitch added it, there was jokes of it becoming one of "those sites" for months. It is an easy comparison to make, but to be fair, the porn industry has always been at the forefront when it comes to innovation. Things like video players, live streaming, donations, etc. Realistically though, I don't see anything wrong with someone supporting a channel they enjoy. I honestly wish Youtube had more of it. It's ridiculous how many creators have to use 3rd party services like Patreon. It makes so much sense for Google to have it built in instead.
- dmix 9y agoYoutube was far behind porn site's HTML5 video players for years. It was in 'beta' forever. I always thought it was strange how slow they were to improve it, being a billion dollar company and all and having a pretty straight-foward product page where people spend 99% of their time, engaging with a single piece of tech.
- blhack 9y agoDid google make another new chat platform?
- flinty 9y agoNope, they made a box
- agiamas 9y agoSuperChat sounds like Jackass coming to Youtube, can't wait ! Parker/Stone satirised it 17 years ago in Fat Camp episode, it's gonna be so awesome :)
- KurtMueller 9y agoWatching this reminds me that the satire in HBO's Silicon Valley is pretty spot on.
- flinty 9y agoShots for each time they said platform in the keynote will get you alcohol poisoning
- Klathmon 9y agoWow, Kotlin is now a first class supported language with Android!
- blhack 9y agoKotlin? Why not golang, I wonder?
- itp 9y agoLong story short, Kotlin is easy to support without substantive (any?) changes to Android runtime, golang would involve much more effort. It's also not clear to me there's any desire to write applications in golang.
- blhack 9y agoNative android application development is totally not my community. I admit I have never even heard or kotlin. Actually, at the coworking space I'm currently streaming the conference at, nobody had heard of kotlin. edit: AH, Kotlin runs on the java virtual machine. That makes much more sense to me now.
- itp 9y agoSorry, that's the context I should have provided! (Knowing that also probably explains why they cut to a shot of the JetBrains CEO in the audience, since Kotlin originated there.)
- taormina 9y agoWell, it already works on the JVM and on Android, many production apps in the wild are already using it, and they avoided the problems that existing JVM languages like Scala and Clojure had in terms of running on Android.
- yazr 9y agoCan you explain about some of these problems ? Why are some JVM languages easier than others ?
- TeMPOraL 9y agoOh man, it seems that Android Go is a better system than Android itself. The features they presented - like easy off-line sharing, downloading YT videos, data usage management up front - are ones we should have had on normal Android phones for a long time.
- gervase 9y agoAgreed. Greater efficiency, lower power and data usage... are those not things that premium phones can benefit from also? I suppose you have to give up some features, but given how few of the features on most apps I do use, I think this could be an acceptable tradeoff.
- julioneander 9y agoJust wait until eventually someone over the XDA forums creates an Android Go based ROM with those features back, but still with the more efficient kernel and base system. I'm actually pretty stoked for this to be honest! Can you imagine if there was the possibility of switching those profiles in real-time, like an upgraded version of the "battery saver" that already exists.
- namaemuta 9y agoWould be possible to use Android Go on old devices that are stuck on old android versions? if that possible it would be awesome.
- ehsankia 9y agoWell I'm guessing the apps at least will be available on the play store (if you don't have a Android phone in Go configuration already). Here's the Youtube Go app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.youtube.mango&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and... That being said, I love having a choice. A lot of people criticize apps being split up, like Allo/Duo, but I like it. I don't get the obsession with all-in-one apps. Youtube's strategy of splitting out Youtube Kids, Youtube Gaming, Youtube Music, etc makes so much more sense. Some might want the heavy Youtube, some may want the light Youtube Go. You get to choose what your needs are. If you don't need all the extra crap, download the Go version!
- onmobiletemp 9y agoI thought it was funny how video previews and superchats have been around forever in porn. Google lens made me genuinely excited. The most important bit was also the shortest: designing nets with nets. I wonder what nn experts think of that little sidenote.
- shinryuu 9y agoIs there no ATAP session in google I/O this year?
- jtraffic 9y agoI feel nervous admitting this, but I don't see much of value here. I am definitely not typical, I realize, and often the major benefits of technology don't become apparent until a while after they are announced. But, right now, before people show me why it's amazing, I see these things as small marginal improvements. I'm an open minded person, though, so I'm interested to learn what I'm missing.
- shaklee3 9y agoI agree to some extent, but the Google photos features are always a really nice touch. Having it remind you to share pictures of people you just took a picture of, or being able to share your entire library with a spouse is really useful.
- navbaker 9y agoI'm really hoping they talk about the Starcraft 2 API they're working on. Looking forward to getting my hands on a tool less finicky than BWAPI.
- lopespm 9y agoI can´t help to think this was not a business as usual I/O, it feels like the concretization of the exponential nature of technology development, sported nowadays a good deal by deep learning. Notice that a good portion of the products presented in I/O weren't just a result of many people grinding away on a problem (say, iterating on a new version of a operating system), but where "machines" worked/trained on a problem in order to do something useful for us. This is not news to me nor anyone here I am sure, but seeing it realized on a keynote where a company gives us an update on what was accomplished in roughly a year and seeing it realized in a more wholesome approach/platform (Google Assistant), instead of scattered along different products, just made me realize that a fundamental mindshift is happening on a more global scale. From makers ("I will make this machine/software so that it can help with X") to leaders of machines ("I will give the necessary conditions for the machine to help with X").