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> Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Interesting claim. I'm not sure many people on the left killed doctors for performi

> Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Interesting claim. I'm not sure many people on the left killed doctors for performing abortions, for example. That was mostly "pro life" conservatives, from what I recall. Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. Chelsea Manning is free. This is cause for celebration.

404_not_found 9y ago
> Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. He said, /after/ conveniently inserting partisan opinion and contradicting himself.
- CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
  It wasn't a contradiction. I said "we" in my question.
- snakeboy 9y ago
  He was rebutting the claim of the previous commenter that these political murders are carried out exclusively by "leftists".
TheGirondin 9y ago
I am genuinely curious why you think it is cause for celebration that bratty solider who made a massive blind data dump of classified information to sabotage the US military had their punishment drastically reduced.
- CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
  I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I will, however, say that 7 years of prison can be devastating for anyone but 35 years can totally ruin their life with virtually no chance of recovery. Most people have support systems, but will they still be intact after nearly half the average life span? Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating?
  - TheGirondin 9y ago
    >I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs. >Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating? This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released?
    - nf05papsjfVbc 9y ago
      > I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs. Was this misrepresentation of the parent comment (disinclination being presented as inability) intentional? > This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released? There is much grey between the black and white in this world.
    - arrrg 9y ago
      I'm not the grandparent, but yes, a senseless destruction of lives that doesn't serve some extremely important purpose is barbaric and evil. As such any imprisonment beyond ensuring suitable deterrence (which would certainly be the case with seven years) is plenty. Rehabilitation has to be the central goal of all and every imprisonment. Sometimes that might not be possible, but even in those cases it has to be attempted.

404_not_found 9y ago

> Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. He said, /after/ conveniently inserting partisan opinion and contradicting himself.

CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
It wasn't a contradiction. I said "we" in my question.
snakeboy 9y ago
He was rebutting the claim of the previous commenter that these political murders are carried out exclusively by "leftists".

TheGirondin 9y ago

I am genuinely curious why you think it is cause for celebration that bratty solider who made a massive blind data dump of classified information to sabotage the US military had their punishment drastically reduced.

CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I will, however, say that 7 years of prison can be devastating for anyone but 35 years can totally ruin their life with virtually no chance of recovery. Most people have support systems, but will they still be intact after nearly half the average life span? Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating?
- TheGirondin 9y ago
  >I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs. >Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating? This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released?
  - nf05papsjfVbc 9y ago
    > I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs. Was this misrepresentation of the parent comment (disinclination being presented as inability) intentional? > This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released? There is much grey between the black and white in this world.
  - arrrg 9y ago
    I'm not the grandparent, but yes, a senseless destruction of lives that doesn't serve some extremely important purpose is barbaric and evil. As such any imprisonment beyond ensuring suitable deterrence (which would certainly be the case with seven years) is plenty. Rehabilitation has to be the central goal of all and every imprisonment. Sometimes that might not be possible, but even in those cases it has to be attempted.