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without a single line of programming code A bold statement that doesn't really seem to be supported by: <p property="name" mv-default="[readable(to(filenam

without a single line of programming code A bold statement that doesn't really seem to be supported by: <p property="name" mv-default="[readable(to(filename(image), '.'))]"></p>

extra88 9y ago
I assumed the claim was based on differentiating a markup language from programming languages. HTML (and CSS) is code, but not programming code.
- avaer 9y ago
  I see what you're saying, but that looks like a function call embedded in the HTML. Embedding your programming into HTML doesn't make it any less programming. Otherwise, you could say web programming doesn't exist since it's all just HTML script tags.
  - extra88 9y ago
    Hmm, yes, the readable() value does look like a function call with the sort of unforgiving, indecipherable syntax that can give a non-programmer trouble when they have to do more than paste a sample (e.g. actually enter a filename, including the path). That blurs the "programming" line more.
leaverou 9y ago
Spreadsheets have function calls as well, and yet non-programmers can use them. We don't care about making a theoretically pure distinction, we care about making something that non-programmers can actually use.
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  ...by abusing existing terminology in confusing ways, clouding the issue. Exactly like http://catb.org/jargon/html/E/English.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/E/English.html , named just so marketing team could claim "You can program our computers in English!"
- bshimmin 9y ago
  I didn't intend to denigrate your work - I think it's really interesting. However, to advertise it as not being programming seems bogus to me. In Excel, you click the "fx" button and choose "SUM" and then select some cells with your mouse and it pops in there =SUM(A1:A4) for you, which feels in practice quite far from what I would consider programming, and I think people who are non-programmers but have the right sort of mindset can usually fathom this stuff. The example I quoted above, however, looks a lot more like programming to me, and the nested parentheses alone would be enough to scare off a lot of non-technical types. I have dealt with many people over the years who have to do a bit of programming in their roles but really aren't programmers in the conventional sense, and they find things like the difference between A(B(1,2,3)) and A(B(1,2),3) extremely hard to grasp.

without a single line of programming code A bold statement that doesn't really seem to be supported by: <p property="name" mv-default="[readable(to(filename(image), '.'))]"></p>

extra88 9y ago

I assumed the claim was based on differentiating a markup language from programming languages. HTML (and CSS) is code, but not programming code.

avaer 9y ago
I see what you're saying, but that looks like a function call embedded in the HTML. Embedding your programming into HTML doesn't make it any less programming. Otherwise, you could say web programming doesn't exist since it's all just HTML script tags.
- extra88 9y ago
  Hmm, yes, the readable() value does look like a function call with the sort of unforgiving, indecipherable syntax that can give a non-programmer trouble when they have to do more than paste a sample (e.g. actually enter a filename, including the path). That blurs the "programming" line more.

leaverou 9y ago

Spreadsheets have function calls as well, and yet non-programmers can use them. We don't care about making a theoretically pure distinction, we care about making something that non-programmers can actually use.

Piskvorrr 9y ago
...by abusing existing terminology in confusing ways, clouding the issue. Exactly like http://catb.org/jargon/html/E/English.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/E/English.html , named just so marketing team could claim "You can program our computers in English!"
bshimmin 9y ago
I didn't intend to denigrate your work - I think it's really interesting. However, to advertise it as not being programming seems bogus to me. In Excel, you click the "fx" button and choose "SUM" and then select some cells with your mouse and it pops in there =SUM(A1:A4) for you, which feels in practice quite far from what I would consider programming, and I think people who are non-programmers but have the right sort of mindset can usually fathom this stuff. The example I quoted above, however, looks a lot more like programming to me, and the nested parentheses alone would be enough to scare off a lot of non-technical types. I have dealt with many people over the years who have to do a bit of programming in their roles but really aren't programmers in the conventional sense, and they find things like the difference between A(B(1,2,3)) and A(B(1,2),3) extremely hard to grasp.