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This is only a moral/ethical evaluation done by the GNU project. It doesn't inform on the actual quality of the products. And of course Savannah would come firs

This is only a moral/ethical evaluation done by the GNU project. It doesn't inform on the actual quality of the products. And of course Savannah would come first, since they're the one judging themselves according to ethical standards they decided themselves. Judge and jury with an after taste of self-interests.

cyphar 9y ago
> This is only a moral/ethical evaluation done by the GNU project. And GNOME is part of the GNU project... > And of course Savannah would come first There's no reason why GitLab could not also get an A rating, aside from friction from GitLab themselves.
- mikegerwitz 9y ago
  GitLab has been very receptive to many recommendations. There's discussion (stalled) here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/15678 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/15678 More discussion can be found in the archives: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/repo-criteria-discuss/ https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/repo-criteria-discuss/
  - cyphar 9y ago
    > GitLab has been very receptive to many recommendations. I never said it wasn't, I was just saying that the only meaningful blocker is on GitLab's side (though as you've mentioned in that thread there is some discussion on refining the requirements). > There's discussion (stalled) here: Emphasis on "stalled". ;)
    - mikegerwitz 9y ago
      > I never said it wasn't I was just praising them, not disagreeing with you. :)
- jrimbault 9y ago
  No reason apart from the fact that the ones judging are the ones setting up the rules for judgment and have a horse in the race. And still, it doesn't get to the heart of the issue, we're not comparing ethical viewpoints here, we're asserting product quality from a user standpoint.
  - cyphar 9y ago
    > No reason apart from the fact that the ones judging are the ones setting up the rules for judgment and have a horse in the race. I don't know what you think the GNU project stands for, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that they would not give GitLab an A rating if they followed the requirements (which are publicly listed). As an example, they promote GNU/Linux distributions that are not funded by the FSF[1]. Same goes for the FSF's "Respects Your Freedom" mark -- they reward it to anyone who passes the requirements. The GNU project regularly promotes non-GNU projects. This is all just FUD. > we're not comparing ethical viewpoints here, we're asserting product quality from a user standpoint That's what _you're_ discussing. One of the factors in GNOME's decision is the ethical concerns of the GNU project (since they are a member of the GNU project and ethical concerns are the main crux of the GNU project). [1]: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html

cyphar 9y ago

> This is only a moral/ethical evaluation done by the GNU project. And GNOME is part of the GNU project... > And of course Savannah would come first There's no reason why GitLab could not also get an A rating, aside from friction from GitLab themselves.

mikegerwitz 9y ago
GitLab has been very receptive to many recommendations. There's discussion (stalled) here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/15678 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/15678 More discussion can be found in the archives: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/repo-criteria-discuss/ https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/repo-criteria-discuss/
- cyphar 9y ago
  > GitLab has been very receptive to many recommendations. I never said it wasn't, I was just saying that the only meaningful blocker is on GitLab's side (though as you've mentioned in that thread there is some discussion on refining the requirements). > There's discussion (stalled) here: Emphasis on "stalled". ;)
  - mikegerwitz 9y ago
    > I never said it wasn't I was just praising them, not disagreeing with you. :)
jrimbault 9y ago
No reason apart from the fact that the ones judging are the ones setting up the rules for judgment and have a horse in the race. And still, it doesn't get to the heart of the issue, we're not comparing ethical viewpoints here, we're asserting product quality from a user standpoint.
- cyphar 9y ago
  > No reason apart from the fact that the ones judging are the ones setting up the rules for judgment and have a horse in the race. I don't know what you think the GNU project stands for, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that they would not give GitLab an A rating if they followed the requirements (which are publicly listed). As an example, they promote GNU/Linux distributions that are not funded by the FSF[1]. Same goes for the FSF's "Respects Your Freedom" mark -- they reward it to anyone who passes the requirements. The GNU project regularly promotes non-GNU projects. This is all just FUD. > we're not comparing ethical viewpoints here, we're asserting product quality from a user standpoint That's what _you're_ discussing. One of the factors in GNOME's decision is the ethical concerns of the GNU project (since they are a member of the GNU project and ethical concerns are the main crux of the GNU project). [1]: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html