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At first the zoo was menagerie only for the pleasure not about conservation. They evolved to conservation. Now they see that they can not properly take care of

At first the zoo was menagerie only for the pleasure not about conservation. They evolved to conservation. Now they see that they can not properly take care of animals, even if they try to do their best they still do not know how to do it right. New sickness, etc. The only way to save animals is by decree a land where human do not have any rights to go their.

thedjinn 9y ago
A while ago I read about the DMZ between North/South Korea being a place where endangered species thrive again.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  The area around Chernobyl is a haven for animals for the same reasons.
  - pvaldes 9y ago
    For some animals yes, but not for all. It seems that for some birds is more like a sink, constantly recolonized by birds from other zones that die quickly. Chernobil is unique in many aspects, as a defy, an economic burden for all european countries and an opportunity. I think that should be declared as the first supranational european park, watched and cleaned as soon as possible. Radioactive animals living in Chernobyl travel across all europe and migrate towards the nord also so is a problem for EU, and also for the countries belonging to the old Soviet Union that can't be managed for one single country.
pvaldes 9y ago
This is just plain old Bullshit. People in zoos are professionals and of course they know how to care for the animals. The only way to save animals... [set them free, blah, blah, blah] Then why the white rhinos are still endangered? Will survive the californian porpoise four years more? I, and many other people, seriously doubt it.
- lentil_soup 9y ago
  Of course they're professionals, but modern Zoos are there for entertainment first. The conservation part is not priority anymore. If we need them for conservation then let's focus on that, no need to have thousands of people visiting.
  - ssully 9y ago
    Many of the conservation efforts contributed by zoos would disappear without the funds generated by the thousands of people visiting.
  - pvaldes 9y ago
    And no need to spend lots of money each day to feed the animals. Just put the zebras and lions in the same recint and watch the good old PETA-approved nature in action. You obtain super-happy lions (except those kicked in the head with an open fracture maybe).
- madshiva 9y ago
  Yes, they are "professionals", but nobody is better than the nature itself. The whales and dolphins are not happy to do the show. This is proven and give them drugs (http://www.dauphinlibre.be/le-zoo-de-nuremberg-drogue-ses-dauphins-captifs/ http://www.dauphinlibre.be/le-zoo-de-nuremberg-drogue-ses-da...) to kept them happy. Nice professionalism there. Many other species lack diversity and therefore suffer from genetic diversity, they need to exchange species between country in order to grow the diversity, new sickness are born but yes they are professionals. There's not real reason to stay in the old menagerie system, animals have rights to live and if we need food we need to protect them. Point barre, like we say in French.
  - pvaldes 9y ago
    Your link do not makes any sense. Any real expert in dolphins can tell you that dolphins can not be safely sedated because, unlike us, the breath in cetaceans is voluntary. Basic zoology principles. Yes, zoologists and vets are professionals for something. They studied a lot of years and know their stuff. Surgery in dolphins is always a risk. If you put a dolphin to sleep, the dolphin "forgets to breath" and dies quickly. Therefore the author of the article wrote some very unlikely accusations without any clear proof (and obviously do not know much about real dolphins). The idea of sedating dolphins regularly in a show for any extended period of time just because they "don't feel like dancing today" is ludicrous. This kind of defamatory articles are sadly as common as successful collecting money from their naive public.

thedjinn 9y ago

A while ago I read about the DMZ between North/South Korea being a place where endangered species thrive again.

ceejayoz 9y ago
The area around Chernobyl is a haven for animals for the same reasons.
- pvaldes 9y ago
  For some animals yes, but not for all. It seems that for some birds is more like a sink, constantly recolonized by birds from other zones that die quickly. Chernobil is unique in many aspects, as a defy, an economic burden for all european countries and an opportunity. I think that should be declared as the first supranational european park, watched and cleaned as soon as possible. Radioactive animals living in Chernobyl travel across all europe and migrate towards the nord also so is a problem for EU, and also for the countries belonging to the old Soviet Union that can't be managed for one single country.

pvaldes 9y ago

This is just plain old Bullshit. People in zoos are professionals and of course they know how to care for the animals. The only way to save animals... [set them free, blah, blah, blah] Then why the white rhinos are still endangered? Will survive the californian porpoise four years more? I, and many other people, seriously doubt it.

lentil_soup 9y ago
Of course they're professionals, but modern Zoos are there for entertainment first. The conservation part is not priority anymore. If we need them for conservation then let's focus on that, no need to have thousands of people visiting.
- ssully 9y ago
  Many of the conservation efforts contributed by zoos would disappear without the funds generated by the thousands of people visiting.
- pvaldes 9y ago
  And no need to spend lots of money each day to feed the animals. Just put the zebras and lions in the same recint and watch the good old PETA-approved nature in action. You obtain super-happy lions (except those kicked in the head with an open fracture maybe).
madshiva 9y ago
Yes, they are "professionals", but nobody is better than the nature itself. The whales and dolphins are not happy to do the show. This is proven and give them drugs (http://www.dauphinlibre.be/le-zoo-de-nuremberg-drogue-ses-dauphins-captifs/ http://www.dauphinlibre.be/le-zoo-de-nuremberg-drogue-ses-da...) to kept them happy. Nice professionalism there. Many other species lack diversity and therefore suffer from genetic diversity, they need to exchange species between country in order to grow the diversity, new sickness are born but yes they are professionals. There's not real reason to stay in the old menagerie system, animals have rights to live and if we need food we need to protect them. Point barre, like we say in French.
- pvaldes 9y ago
  Your link do not makes any sense. Any real expert in dolphins can tell you that dolphins can not be safely sedated because, unlike us, the breath in cetaceans is voluntary. Basic zoology principles. Yes, zoologists and vets are professionals for something. They studied a lot of years and know their stuff. Surgery in dolphins is always a risk. If you put a dolphin to sleep, the dolphin "forgets to breath" and dies quickly. Therefore the author of the article wrote some very unlikely accusations without any clear proof (and obviously do not know much about real dolphins). The idea of sedating dolphins regularly in a show for any extended period of time just because they "don't feel like dancing today" is ludicrous. This kind of defamatory articles are sadly as common as successful collecting money from their naive public.