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I'm def not trying to make this personal, your hypothetical 'literal' frame implies I failed. Maybe pedo rings don't exist, or maybe it's not something some el

I'm def not trying to make this personal, your hypothetical 'literal' frame implies I failed. Maybe pedo rings don't exist, or maybe it's not something some elite have a history of. Maybe I have no good reason to mention that island, or these people. You made it clear you don't know the who what or where on subjects I suggested are pretty basic and related, yet you seem sure you are informed. If you want to know more, you could. It's not something anyone can effectively research in an evening unless you decide to dismiss it.

pavlov 9y ago
> I'm def not trying to make this personal, your hypothetical 'literal' frame implies I failed. I guess I was offended that Marina Abramovic is dragged into this on the flimsiest of evidence. She is one of the leading artists in the world, and this kind of malicious gossip is the complete opposite of the radical openness and self-consciousness that she lives through her work. That's probably why this character assassination feels personal: if it can happen to her, it can happen to anyone. > You made it clear you don't know the who what or where on subjects I suggested are pretty basic and related, yet you seem sure you are informed. If you want to know more, you could. It's not something anyone can effectively research in an evening unless you want to just dismiss it. Here's the thing though: it's not something anyone can effectively research over the Internet -- full stop! Edgar Welch, the Pizzagate gunman who drove to Washington to investigate the Comet restaurant, believed he had done deep research on this. His family said to reporters that he spent months obsessing about it. One day, he had enough. This is what happened next: "According to texts cited by prosecutors, Welch believed he was doing a public service. 'Raiding a pedo ring, possibly sacraficing [sic] the lives of a few for the lives of many,' Welch wrote to one friend. 'Standing up against a corrupt system that kidnaps, tortures and rapes babies and children in our own back yard.' He added: 'I’m sorry bro, but I’m tired of turning the channel and hoping someone does something and being thankful it’s not my family. One day it will be our families. The world is too afraid to act and I’m too stubborn not to.' When he went to Washington, Welch took with him the assault weapon, a .38 revolver and a 12-gauge shotgun. When he walked into the restaurant, diners, including families with children, fled in panic. According to court documents, Welch fired the rifle several times at a locked closet door, damaging computer equipment, and aimed the gun at an employee who had entered the back of the restaurant and promptly ran back out. No one was injured. Welch later said he regretted his actions." (Quoted from https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/25/comet-ping-pong-alex-jones https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/25/comet-ping-p...) Do you think Welch was well-informed by Internet research?
- dom0 9y ago
  Could you maybe re-wrap that quote? You're making the page like 2000 pixels wide.
  - pavlov 9y ago
    Sorry, I can't edit the post anymore. (HN's monospace formatting still mystifies me. I thought there is a 'max-width' style on those blocks? At least on mobile it doesn't break the entire page...)
- jakeogh 9y ago
  You could find out plenty about that island on the net without actually visiting it if you wanted to. Also, you brought her up, and are mass pasting when you could just link, yet not a word about the island.
  - pavlov 9y ago
    Also, you brought her up ... No, you did. You posted a Wikileaks link to an email sent by her, and you didn't explain why it's relevant.
    - jakeogh 9y ago
      O ya, it was sent by her. Small world ay? It's not a bit surprising to most people to see Clinton's folk get excited about a dinner with _that_ ritual. I mean, heck, everyone knows that's completely normal right? (I would rather not post her demo video, but it's on yt). And it's perfectly normal for Bill (and?) to be visiting the unmentionable island. How about Tony Podesta's taste in art? Totally normal right? (I _really_ cant post that here out of respect for basic norms, I recommend not googling it if you don't want see some extra creepy shit).

pavlov 9y ago

> I'm def not trying to make this personal, your hypothetical 'literal' frame implies I failed. I guess I was offended that Marina Abramovic is dragged into this on the flimsiest of evidence. She is one of the leading artists in the world, and this kind of malicious gossip is the complete opposite of the radical openness and self-consciousness that she lives through her work. That's probably why this character assassination feels personal: if it can happen to her, it can happen to anyone. > You made it clear you don't know the who what or where on subjects I suggested are pretty basic and related, yet you seem sure you are informed. If you want to know more, you could. It's not something anyone can effectively research in an evening unless you want to just dismiss it. Here's the thing though: it's not something anyone can effectively research over the Internet -- full stop! Edgar Welch, the Pizzagate gunman who drove to Washington to investigate the Comet restaurant, believed he had done deep research on this. His family said to reporters that he spent months obsessing about it. One day, he had enough. This is what happened next: "According to texts cited by prosecutors, Welch believed he was doing a public service. 'Raiding a pedo ring, possibly sacraficing [sic] the lives of a few for the lives of many,' Welch wrote to one friend. 'Standing up against a corrupt system that kidnaps, tortures and rapes babies and children in our own back yard.' He added: 'I’m sorry bro, but I’m tired of turning the channel and hoping someone does something and being thankful it’s not my family. One day it will be our families. The world is too afraid to act and I’m too stubborn not to.' When he went to Washington, Welch took with him the assault weapon, a .38 revolver and a 12-gauge shotgun. When he walked into the restaurant, diners, including families with children, fled in panic. According to court documents, Welch fired the rifle several times at a locked closet door, damaging computer equipment, and aimed the gun at an employee who had entered the back of the restaurant and promptly ran back out. No one was injured. Welch later said he regretted his actions." (Quoted from https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/25/comet-ping-pong-alex-jones https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/25/comet-ping-p...) Do you think Welch was well-informed by Internet research?

dom0 9y ago
Could you maybe re-wrap that quote? You're making the page like 2000 pixels wide.
- pavlov 9y ago
  Sorry, I can't edit the post anymore. (HN's monospace formatting still mystifies me. I thought there is a 'max-width' style on those blocks? At least on mobile it doesn't break the entire page...)
jakeogh 9y ago
You could find out plenty about that island on the net without actually visiting it if you wanted to. Also, you brought her up, and are mass pasting when you could just link, yet not a word about the island.
- pavlov 9y ago
  Also, you brought her up ... No, you did. You posted a Wikileaks link to an email sent by her, and you didn't explain why it's relevant.
  - jakeogh 9y ago
    O ya, it was sent by her. Small world ay? It's not a bit surprising to most people to see Clinton's folk get excited about a dinner with _that_ ritual. I mean, heck, everyone knows that's completely normal right? (I would rather not post her demo video, but it's on yt). And it's perfectly normal for Bill (and?) to be visiting the unmentionable island. How about Tony Podesta's taste in art? Totally normal right? (I _really_ cant post that here out of respect for basic norms, I recommend not googling it if you don't want see some extra creepy shit).