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I'm asking you since you're following this closely. Should my car buying decision take into factor the fact that SKorea, as Nytimes says, punishes whistle blow

I'm asking you since you're following this closely. Should my car buying decision take into factor the fact that SKorea, as Nytimes says, punishes whistle blowers? If so, does this happen in Japan too? How does one take this kind of stuff into account?

csours 9y ago
>Should my car buying decision take into factor the fact that SKorea, as Nytimes says, punishes whistle blowers? Are you asking this as a moral question or a technical/value question? For moral, I can't help you. For technical/value, new Hyundais/Kias are generally regarded as very decent cars. >If so, does this happen in Japan too? Japan also has a VERY hierarchical management system, where top-down direction is the only way things are done. > How does one take this kind of stuff into account? One generally does not, because generally speaking none of these things have a first order effect on the product.
kalleboo 9y ago
I don't think it matters. I don't think we've seen much whistleblowing coming out of competitors in countries with a more open culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch...
pcurve 9y ago
As you know, whistleblowers are punished everywhere, even in the U.S. "60 percent said they were fired after exposing organizational corruption." This is actually lower than the figure in the u.s. Where the rate was 70 - 80 % according to a Virginia tech research. If I may rephrase your question to "Should your car buying decision take into factor the fact that SKorea does not have as strong whistle blower protection as the U.S.?" Car market in the U.S. is so competitive, and consumer protection so strong, that personally it wouldn't influence my car buying decision in the U.S. If I were buying a Hyundai in Korea, then yes, it would be a factor, though how much, it's hard to say. I don't believe Hyundai would consistently misbehave like this. It's entirely possible that had the fix been cheaper for this engine recall, Hyundai may not have dragged their feet. As to your question on Japan, I'm not really qualified to speak about whistleblower protection legal frameworks about either country. Both countries have it, but they are relatively recent concept, where there still is strong sense of company loyalty, hierarchical chain of command, saving face, and slim chance of re-employment in the same industry after whistleblowing event. It probably still needs to time to mature. Either way, if I were buying Korean or Japanese goods in the U.S., all I would care about is product quality and performance. They are both nations of people that take strong pride (some may say too much) in their outputs, and care too much about how their countries are perceived on oversea stage that to have meaningful impact on their product quality.
- mikekchar 9y ago
  You really can't fire people in Japan. It is virtually impossible. I have heard that many Japanese companies maintain employees that have no job function, though. Some people will quit out of shame, but many won't because getting another job is also nearly impossible (job hopping is not a thing unless you are a temporary/contract worker). So, whistle blowers get a "vacation" for the rest of their careers. Hard to say if that's better or worse than getting fired.
  - ausvisaissues 9y ago
    Or they get harassed until they quit or kill themselves. Power harassment and maternity harassment is fairly common in Japan.
- CarMaker 9y ago
  My reference to Japan was wrt it's Car production. I want to use in US. PS: How does one follow replies on this website? I'm new here.

csours 9y ago

>Should my car buying decision take into factor the fact that SKorea, as Nytimes says, punishes whistle blowers? Are you asking this as a moral question or a technical/value question? For moral, I can't help you. For technical/value, new Hyundais/Kias are generally regarded as very decent cars. >If so, does this happen in Japan too? Japan also has a VERY hierarchical management system, where top-down direction is the only way things are done. > How does one take this kind of stuff into account? One generally does not, because generally speaking none of these things have a first order effect on the product.

kalleboo 9y ago

I don't think it matters. I don't think we've seen much whistleblowing coming out of competitors in countries with a more open culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch...

pcurve 9y ago

As you know, whistleblowers are punished everywhere, even in the U.S. "60 percent said they were fired after exposing organizational corruption." This is actually lower than the figure in the u.s. Where the rate was 70 - 80 % according to a Virginia tech research. If I may rephrase your question to "Should your car buying decision take into factor the fact that SKorea does not have as strong whistle blower protection as the U.S.?" Car market in the U.S. is so competitive, and consumer protection so strong, that personally it wouldn't influence my car buying decision in the U.S. If I were buying a Hyundai in Korea, then yes, it would be a factor, though how much, it's hard to say. I don't believe Hyundai would consistently misbehave like this. It's entirely possible that had the fix been cheaper for this engine recall, Hyundai may not have dragged their feet. As to your question on Japan, I'm not really qualified to speak about whistleblower protection legal frameworks about either country. Both countries have it, but they are relatively recent concept, where there still is strong sense of company loyalty, hierarchical chain of command, saving face, and slim chance of re-employment in the same industry after whistleblowing event. It probably still needs to time to mature. Either way, if I were buying Korean or Japanese goods in the U.S., all I would care about is product quality and performance. They are both nations of people that take strong pride (some may say too much) in their outputs, and care too much about how their countries are perceived on oversea stage that to have meaningful impact on their product quality.

mikekchar 9y ago
You really can't fire people in Japan. It is virtually impossible. I have heard that many Japanese companies maintain employees that have no job function, though. Some people will quit out of shame, but many won't because getting another job is also nearly impossible (job hopping is not a thing unless you are a temporary/contract worker). So, whistle blowers get a "vacation" for the rest of their careers. Hard to say if that's better or worse than getting fired.
- ausvisaissues 9y ago
  Or they get harassed until they quit or kill themselves. Power harassment and maternity harassment is fairly common in Japan.
CarMaker 9y ago
My reference to Japan was wrt it's Car production. I want to use in US. PS: How does one follow replies on this website? I'm new here.