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Entirely agreed. I feel like I'm utterly missing something with these indoor and urban farming setups - someone is clearly investing millions into them and is p
by jakewins 9y ago
Entirely agreed. I feel like I'm utterly missing something with these indoor and urban farming setups - someone is clearly investing millions into them and is presumably doing due diligence..
The CO2 output of these farms is higher than modern industrial agriculture, even if you assume all the traditional produce is shipped across the entire continental US. Cornell has some good lectures on this subject: https://youtu.be/VrpyUA1pQqE?t=1842 https://youtu.be/VrpyUA1pQqE?t=1842
So, urban farms are worse for the environment - is the selling point cost then? I did a back-of-the-envolope trying to guesstimate this a while back on a similar post about container farms. Granted, a larger factory-style farm will have higher efficiency, but the basic problem of entirely replacing sunlight with artificial light, vs a green house that simply augments, remains.
Indoor farm
Freight farms has a cost estimate page(1) that gives us, for lettuce, something like:
50-100lb/week, lets say 75lb, so 3,900lb of lettuce a year
$17,600/year operating cost
$17,600/3,900lb = ~$4.51/lb of lettuce
However, it's worth noting that Freight Farms doesn't include labor or capital costs(!) in their estimate.
But fine - lets pretend the container farm itself is free, and that somehow plug setting, harvesting, packaging, and equipment maintenance is happily done by people working for nothing: $4.51/lb of lettuce it is.
Traditional farm
The university extension system provides great estimates of production costs for tons of crops. For lettuce, using traditional soil and machinery, production including labor, packaging and chilling UC Davis estimates(2):
$7,754 total overhead per acre
9.38tons of lettuce per acre, 18,760lb a year
$7,754/18,769lb = ~$0.41/lb of lettuce
BUT, that estimate only includes shipping to the local chilling facility. To then ship the lettuce from CA to NY, you need to hire a trailer. This week, the spot price for chilled lettuce trailers going from CA to NY is $6,000(3). Each trailer carries 40,000lbs of lettuce:
$6,000/40,000lbs = ~ $0.15/lb of lettuce to transport
For a total cost then, of:
$0.41 + $0.15 = $0.56/lb
In summary
Assuming labor is free for the container farm, you're gifted all the capital assets of it, and that the traditional farm is shipping its' produce across the continental US, the production cost is $4.51/lb for container farm, $0.56/lb for regular soil.
(1) https://www.freightfarms.com/blog/data-from-our-growers-operating-the-lgm-as-a-business
(2) https://coststudyfiles.ucdavis.edu/uploads/cs_public/7d/96/7d96db67-49ca-442f-9543-4482187c9cd1/lettuceleaforganiccc09.pdf
(3) https://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/wa_fv190.txt
- oppositelock 9y agoMarijuana costs a lot more than $4.51/lb. They're just getting their process debugged and will switch instantly when it's legalized.
- jakewins 9y agoBut the same idea applies there; why would I grow marijuana indoors? I genuinely don't understand the benefit; to my knowledge, outside of them being higher CO2 output, higher real estate cost, and substantially higher energy usage, none of these indoor facilities even reach the calorie density of a modern hydroponic greenhouse like Houwelings; http://www.houwelings.com/ http://www.houwelings.com/ I guess I should say: Hats off to the people that think they can compete with a modern ag operation like Houwelings in growing weed, if they can do that while paying both urban real estate rates and the electricity bill for replacing the sun they know something I don't.