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I mean, don't install it on anything with data you care about. This isn't exactly a hardened product.

dredmorbius 9y ago
Escallation attacks are a thing.
HenryBemis 9y ago
+1! The way I see it, this is a "toy" (for the time being). The "2013 devices" makes me thing that this is a "toy" for people like "us" that have a Nexus rotting away somewhere and "it would be cool to fool around on your 30-inch screen and nothing more! It would be better if they would up-front say "this is not secure", "this is a demo", "this is a toy", "this is not the OS you're looking for". Imaginary CEO-CTO dialog: CEO: hey! I just read that we can throw away the PCs and replace them with some old phones that we can buy for $50 on ebay! START!!! CTO: but.. let me explain.. I quit!!
- sangnoir 9y ago
  > The "2013 devices" makes me thing that this is a "toy" for people like "us" that have a Nexus rotting away somewhere I'm writing this on a 2013 Nexus, thank you very much! A year ago it stopped booting and I tried searching for a newer, comparable tablet to replace it: no such device exists. I ordered a replacement main board and couldn't be happier. Until someone makes a new 7-inch tablet with a full HD display, it will continue to not rot in my hands for a few more years.
  - cyc115 9y ago
    I'm using a N5 as my primary phone... It seems mad to me that the life expectancy of a phone is so short those days. :P
    - SubiculumCode 9y ago
      same here...and the only thing bad is the battery life :-/
  - kybernetikos 9y ago
    I was surprised when I came to replace my 7 inch nexus that there wasn't a recent 7 inch tablet from a major player with good reviews. I ended up going for the nVidia Shield tablet K1, which despite being an iteration on a more than 2 year old tablet seemed pretty good. I've been happy with it so far.
- Fice 9y ago
  What's wrong with "2013 devices"? Nexus 5 probably has more alternative OS choices than any other phone available: LineageOS (based on Android 7.1), Ubuntu Touch (UBports continuation of the project), Plasma Mobile, Sailfish, and Maru OS. And what is the real benefit of having a newer device if the old one is still very capable of running modern OSes and applications?
  - _ao789 9y ago
    You sure you don't want a 5000MP camera? Lol
  - _e 9y ago
    You can add Copperhead OS to the list too -- https://copperhead.co/android/ https://copperhead.co/android/
  - clapinton 9y ago
    I bought my Nexus 5 in 2013. It's still running pretty smoothly. Every time I see an app render using the N5 frame, I chuckle. It just reiterates my thought that I made a good choice when I bought my phone, and I like that feeling.
ams6110 9y ago
> This isn't exactly a hardened product Bolting on security later seldom works well.
- throwaway91111 9y ago
  It's a POC.
  - piyush_soni 9y ago
    I think it's totally fine to be a POC unless you market it as a finished product (e.g. on your website).
morganvachon 9y ago
Indeed, back when I had a Nexus 5 laying around collecting dust, I gave it a whirl. It was interesting but certainly not ready for prime time. The phone side of the OS was about as bare as could be, and buggy too. The PC side was slow and just as bare. As a gadget enthusiast, I loved tinkering with it. But it is simply not practical for daily use (yet). I think it could end up being a nice FOSS alternative to Microsoft's Continuum project, especially if the developer can get it working on a newer device.
PrimHelios 9y ago
From what I've seen the site doesn't give any indication that it's this insecure. The default assumption should be that an OS is secure, and an OS should be secure by default, with tons of big warnings that something isn't secure. This isn't just "unhardened", this is a lack of basic security, and after Mirai, nobody should be doing this shit.

Escallation attacks are a thing.

+1! The way I see it, this is a "toy" (for the time being). The "2013 devices" makes me thing that this is a "toy" for people like "us" that have a Nexus rotting away somewhere and "it would be cool to fool around on your 30-inch screen and nothing more! It would be better if they would up-front say "this is not secure", "this is a demo", "this is a toy", "this is not the OS you're looking for". Imaginary CEO-CTO dialog: CEO: hey! I just read that we can throw away the PCs and replace them with some old phones that we can buy for $50 on ebay! START!!! CTO: but.. let me explain.. I quit!!

sangnoir 9y ago
> The "2013 devices" makes me thing that this is a "toy" for people like "us" that have a Nexus rotting away somewhere I'm writing this on a 2013 Nexus, thank you very much! A year ago it stopped booting and I tried searching for a newer, comparable tablet to replace it: no such device exists. I ordered a replacement main board and couldn't be happier. Until someone makes a new 7-inch tablet with a full HD display, it will continue to not rot in my hands for a few more years.
- cyc115 9y ago
  I'm using a N5 as my primary phone... It seems mad to me that the life expectancy of a phone is so short those days. :P
  - SubiculumCode 9y ago
    same here...and the only thing bad is the battery life :-/
- kybernetikos 9y ago
  I was surprised when I came to replace my 7 inch nexus that there wasn't a recent 7 inch tablet from a major player with good reviews. I ended up going for the nVidia Shield tablet K1, which despite being an iteration on a more than 2 year old tablet seemed pretty good. I've been happy with it so far.
Fice 9y ago
What's wrong with "2013 devices"? Nexus 5 probably has more alternative OS choices than any other phone available: LineageOS (based on Android 7.1), Ubuntu Touch (UBports continuation of the project), Plasma Mobile, Sailfish, and Maru OS. And what is the real benefit of having a newer device if the old one is still very capable of running modern OSes and applications?
- _ao789 9y ago
  You sure you don't want a 5000MP camera? Lol
- _e 9y ago
  You can add Copperhead OS to the list too -- https://copperhead.co/android/ https://copperhead.co/android/
- clapinton 9y ago
  I bought my Nexus 5 in 2013. It's still running pretty smoothly. Every time I see an app render using the N5 frame, I chuckle. It just reiterates my thought that I made a good choice when I bought my phone, and I like that feeling.

ams6110 9y ago

> This isn't exactly a hardened product Bolting on security later seldom works well.

throwaway91111 9y ago
It's a POC.
- piyush_soni 9y ago
  I think it's totally fine to be a POC unless you market it as a finished product (e.g. on your website).

morganvachon 9y ago

Indeed, back when I had a Nexus 5 laying around collecting dust, I gave it a whirl. It was interesting but certainly not ready for prime time. The phone side of the OS was about as bare as could be, and buggy too. The PC side was slow and just as bare. As a gadget enthusiast, I loved tinkering with it. But it is simply not practical for daily use (yet). I think it could end up being a nice FOSS alternative to Microsoft's Continuum project, especially if the developer can get it working on a newer device.

PrimHelios 9y ago

From what I've seen the site doesn't give any indication that it's this insecure. The default assumption should be that an OS is secure, and an OS should be secure by default, with tons of big warnings that something isn't secure. This isn't just "unhardened", this is a lack of basic security, and after Mirai, nobody should be doing this shit.