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On the other hand we have done things they wouldn't even imagine.

romaniv 9y ago
I think you would be surprised by how many things they imagined and even prototyped in some form. The Society of Mind videos have some very interesting historic tidbits (and more): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pb3z2w9gDg&list=PLUl4u3cNGP61E-vNcDV0w5xpsIBYNJDkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pb3z2w9gDg&list=PLUl4u3cNGP...
crush-n-spread 9y ago
I don't think so, I'm sure they imagined the internet in some abstract way, and smartphones really are quite a step backward if you want to quote that. Search is also quite imaginable. We have had hundreds of thousands of software engineers working in advertising companies or making hardware that gets used to sell products and keep the attention of the youth perpetually captured, hindering their growth as humans. I say we've regressed in a big way and they would think the same. Check out Alan Kay's talks from this week if you still feel good about today's software industry.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  Well the Parent talked about specifics thats what I was referring to. Of course they imagined abstracts just like we do. Yeah I saw it great videos.
- romaniv 9y ago
  You mean this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDM33CMJvp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDM33CMJvp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR6Rmhm3To https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR6Rmhm3To (I'm trying to watch all of his recent talks. Despite [or because of?] being critical of the industry, they are some of the most inspiring videos I've seen in years.)
giardini 9y ago
Winograd's still working in AI and Minsky died last year, so they (are, were) very up-to-date. https://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/ https://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/ http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/ http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/ Since both cooperated with DARPA at a high level they were aware of defense-related efforts which your typical AI grunt wouldn't necessarily see. Also both are extraordinarily imaginative and bright, so it is more likely they could show you things they've done that you would not imagine.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  I am well aware of their brilliance. That doesn't change that I think there is a bunch of things they didn't imagined and I think they would both agree. (Minsky unfortunately can't anymore) And sure they can probably see things I can't it's not a competition.

I think you would be surprised by how many things they imagined and even prototyped in some form. The Society of Mind videos have some very interesting historic tidbits (and more): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pb3z2w9gDg&list=PLUl4u3cNGP61E-vNcDV0w5xpsIBYNJDkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pb3z2w9gDg&list=PLUl4u3cNGP...

crush-n-spread 9y ago

I don't think so, I'm sure they imagined the internet in some abstract way, and smartphones really are quite a step backward if you want to quote that. Search is also quite imaginable. We have had hundreds of thousands of software engineers working in advertising companies or making hardware that gets used to sell products and keep the attention of the youth perpetually captured, hindering their growth as humans. I say we've regressed in a big way and they would think the same. Check out Alan Kay's talks from this week if you still feel good about today's software industry.

ThomPete 9y ago
Well the Parent talked about specifics thats what I was referring to. Of course they imagined abstracts just like we do. Yeah I saw it great videos.
romaniv 9y ago
You mean this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDM33CMJvp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDM33CMJvp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR6Rmhm3To https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR6Rmhm3To (I'm trying to watch all of his recent talks. Despite [or because of?] being critical of the industry, they are some of the most inspiring videos I've seen in years.)

giardini 9y ago

Winograd's still working in AI and Minsky died last year, so they (are, were) very up-to-date. https://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/ https://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/ http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/ http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/ Since both cooperated with DARPA at a high level they were aware of defense-related efforts which your typical AI grunt wouldn't necessarily see. Also both are extraordinarily imaginative and bright, so it is more likely they could show you things they've done that you would not imagine.

ThomPete 9y ago
I am well aware of their brilliance. That doesn't change that I think there is a bunch of things they didn't imagined and I think they would both agree. (Minsky unfortunately can't anymore) And sure they can probably see things I can't it's not a competition.