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I HATED Red Delicious as a kid! Honey Crisp Apples are the best tasting apples I have ever eaten but they cost almost triple the price. Pink Ladies are also ph

I HATED Red Delicious as a kid! Honey Crisp Apples are the best tasting apples I have ever eaten but they cost almost triple the price. Pink Ladies are also phenomenal. My 6 and 10 year old like them better then candy.

kleiba 9y ago
Unfortunately, though, a large percentage of Pink Ladies offered in stores around here (Germany) come from New Zealand... and that even though apples are among the fruit that grow well in Germany. I like Pink Ladies, especially for the texture, but I prefer to buy fruit that does not have to be shipped half way around the globe.
- civilian 9y ago
  Why? If they're shipping Pink Ladies from New Zealand, and there's an efficient market, can't we imply that it's a better allocation of resources to get Pink Ladies from New Zealand? I mean, they're probably cheaper _even though_ they're getting shipped halfway across the world. What the market is saying is that: the highly skilled population of Germany is probably better off doing more advanced things than growing apples.
  - arcticfox 9y ago
    I think the concern is about externalities like co2. It could also be a quality concern about doing stuff like picking food super raw and waiting for it to ripen in transit, which seems less than ideal. But your point about the efficient market is certainly valid FWIW.
    - cafebabbe 9y ago
      How is it "efficient" if it means short-term collapse of the whole system?
  - moses-palmer 9y ago
    I think that the reasoning against shipping apples across the globe is that consumers do not pay the full price; one might argue that the transportation is subsidised by our extraction and burning of oil at a rate much quicker than it is formed
    - civilian 9y ago
      Hmmm, I can get behind the idea that oil isn't priced appropriately given it's externalities, but I would've focused on CO2, with a carbon tax being the solution, rather than looking at the rate at which oil is reformed.
      - dredmorbius 9y ago
        Time is a factor of production. We are depleting oil reserves at about 5 million times the rate they formed.[1] Corollary: oil price reflects an off-books depletion factor of roughly 5 million-fold. The price is vastly too low. Our fossil fuel consumption translated to present total biomass production (NPP, or the "photosynthetic ceiling"), is a very substantial fraction of all plant growth, I believe about 40%. We currently account for 20% of NPP consumption without utilising biomass as fuel.[1] The history of why extractive natural resources are costed on a labour-required basis only (and some very questionable economic and legal theories support this) is an interesting accident of history, religion, law, geology, business, oil, and more. I've been digging into that, though have further to go. The short answer is that we'd started using the stuff long before we understood its creation, and by the time we understood we pretended not to care.[2] The history of oil price response to overextraction in particular is mesmerising, with the booms at Titusville, Spindletop, and East Texas especially. The latter saw price per barrel fall from a $1 target, to $0.13, and then further to $0.02/bbl, before the national (and effectively global) production quota system managed by, of all organisations, the Texas Railroad Commission, was established in 1931. That lasted until 1972, after which you may be aware oil's price fluctuated somewhat.[3] Similar issues exist for other strategic minerals, as first grasped during WWII, leading to the creation of the Harbord List, now the U.S. Strategic Mineral Reserve.[4] (Oil is also subject to strategic reserves. You may be aware of an incident involving the U.S. Naval Strategic Petroleum Reserve a few years back, the Teapot Dome scandal of the Harding administration.[5]) Until the early 20th century, only direct labour was considered as a cost of production.[6] ________________________________ Notes: 1. https://dge.carnegiescience.edu/DGE/Dukes/Dukes_ClimChange1.pdf https://dge.carnegiescience.edu/DGE/Dukes/Dukes_ClimChange1.... See also https://redd.it/2cvap7 https://redd.it/2cvap7 and https://redd.it/1x9maq https://redd.it/1x9maq 2. Partial expansion here https://redd.it/5w1zw3 https://redd.it/5w1zw3 and here https://redd.it/5rnjg0 https://redd.it/5rnjg0 In particular, the religion and Young Earth Creationist associations are fascinating. 3 Daniel Yergin, The Prize, chapter 13 generally, though also the history of monopolies and cartels: Standard Oil, As-Is Agreement, Seven Sisters, National Producers, OPEC. http://www.worldcat.org/title/prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-money-and-power/oclc/986188094 http://www.worldcat.org/title/prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-m... For oil price, BP's Annual Statistical Review. See: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4defd684cadcbbe55e0d0000/chart-of-the-day-crude-oil-history-june-2011.jpg http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4defd684cadcbbe55e0... Current report: http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy.html http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/stati... 4. E.g., http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33647.html http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33647.html 5. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal 6. Alexander Hamilton Church, Production factors in cost accounting and works management, 1910, p. 9. https://archive.org/stream/productionfactor00churrich#page/8/mode/2up https://archive.org/stream/productionfactor00churrich#page/8...
  - oasisbob 9y ago
    > Why? Different apples need different climates. That cultivar originated in Australia. It needs a long hot growing season. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cripps_Pink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cripps_Pink
  - wordupmaking 9y ago
    And if someone buys a child prostitute, is that the market saying that's the most efficient allocation of resources and the best way for the predator to outlive their dysfunctions? Insert a less polemic example if you want, same point; it's a total non-sequitur. edit: if you can downvote, you can answer the question. I did my fair share of hard thinking about this, I come prepared, so until anyone has anything, this stands, and you'll either have to step up or live with that.
- bruce_one 9y ago
  I know some cafes (and markets etc) near where I live have started pushing [food miles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_miles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_miles) as a bit of a differentiator (in a similar vein to being 100% organic; eg showing the food miles of goods, or guaranteeing that the food mileage is less than X, etc) which would be the kind of movement that aligns with your concern, if of interest.
tetraodonpuffer 9y ago
Fuji are also good, but yeah, honeycrisp are definitely the tastiest apple I have ever eaten... I was brought up on galas and golden delicious and I had no idea that apples could taste as good as a honeycrisp does
- dbg31415 9y ago
  Local news to the rescue! (= * Why Honeycrisp apples are so expensive - YouTube || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eQX2vZ_Zg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eQX2vZ_Zg * The Story Behind Honeycrisps, America's First Brand-Name Apple || http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/a20018/honeycrisp-price-explained/ http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/a20018/honeycrisp-pri... And look, hope for better apples on the horizon! * Washington Apple Growers Sink Their Teeth Into The New Cosmic Crisp : The Salt : NPR || http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/03/525421226/washington-apple-growers-sink-their-teeth-into-the-new-cosmic-crisp http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/03/525421226/was...
  - RangerScience 9y ago
    TL;DR on first link: - They're not hardy (trees need support, apples are thin skinned, and they ripen at different times) - A university holds a patent on the tree (only $1 per tree, tho)
    - EdwardMSmith 9y ago
      The patent and the royalty on Honeycrisp expired in 2008.
      - jdietrich 9y ago
        The University of Michigan blundered by marketing the apple under the varietal name; varietals are considered inherently generic under trademark rules and so ineligible for protection. A Pink Lady apple is actually a Cripps Pink, grown and picked in accordance with certain quality standards. Anyone can sell a Cripps Pink, but only licensees of Brandt's Fruit Trees Inc can sell a Pink Lady.
Para2016 9y ago
The article mentioned that thicker skins on the apples make them less palatable when the interior is soggy/grainy textured. Personally, I like thicker skins but only on Jazz apples, which are tart and sweet. Red delicious are inferior in that the thick skin indeed covers an undesirable mouthful of mush.
- mistercow 9y ago
  Jazz apples are the only apples I buy anymore. They're a bit hard, but they're also the only apple that I actually have to stop myself from eating too many of. It's a shame that they can be harder to find than Fujis and Honeycrisps, which I find a lot more boring (but still miles better than the Red Delicious), but I think they're becoming a bit more common over time.
grogenaut 9y ago
Try a pacific rose if you like pink ladies.
rpeden 9y ago
They're not always available, but I've found that I like Envy apples almost as much as Honey Crisp. And when they show up in stores, Envy tends to be quire a bit cheaper. Their availability might depend on location, though. I only see them in Toronto for 2-3 months every year.
mc32 9y ago
I have come to like Opal apples. Fujis can be hit or miss insipid.
- fencepost 9y ago
  The first time I got Opal apples my comment was "this is what Golden Delicious wants to be when it grows up."
- imperialdrive 9y ago
  Opal apples are incredible - tough to beat. But, they are also hard to find... I heard millions of new trees are being planted to keep up with demand... now I'm craving one just thinking about it.
LordKano 9y ago
As did I. In fact, because of how to felt about Red Delicious apples, I thought that I just didn't like apples until I was in my 30s and tried Granny Smith apples. With the realization that I just hated Red Delicious apples, I tried a few other varieties. I really like Fuji apples too. When a new variety is on sale, sometimes, I like to buy a bag and try them out.
legohead 9y ago
I buy all the different apples for my kids as they show up in the stores. Their personal favorite? Red Delicious.
acchow 9y ago
Always hated red delicious as a kid too. But most stores only carried the 1 kind back then. Some higher end stores had Fuji which I really enjoyed. One day, Royal Gala started showing up and I basically just ate those exclusively until this new wave of "designer Apples"
throwaway7645 9y ago
Honeycrisp is good, but there are a lot of other varieties out there like Envy, Lady Alice, Ambrosia...etc.
seansmccullough 9y ago
Pink Lady apples are awesome!
WhiteOwlLion 9y ago
Rainier Honeycrisp FTW

kleiba 9y ago

Unfortunately, though, a large percentage of Pink Ladies offered in stores around here (Germany) come from New Zealand... and that even though apples are among the fruit that grow well in Germany. I like Pink Ladies, especially for the texture, but I prefer to buy fruit that does not have to be shipped half way around the globe.

civilian 9y ago
Why? If they're shipping Pink Ladies from New Zealand, and there's an efficient market, can't we imply that it's a better allocation of resources to get Pink Ladies from New Zealand? I mean, they're probably cheaper _even though_ they're getting shipped halfway across the world. What the market is saying is that: the highly skilled population of Germany is probably better off doing more advanced things than growing apples.
- arcticfox 9y ago
  I think the concern is about externalities like co2. It could also be a quality concern about doing stuff like picking food super raw and waiting for it to ripen in transit, which seems less than ideal. But your point about the efficient market is certainly valid FWIW.
  - cafebabbe 9y ago
    How is it "efficient" if it means short-term collapse of the whole system?
- moses-palmer 9y ago
  I think that the reasoning against shipping apples across the globe is that consumers do not pay the full price; one might argue that the transportation is subsidised by our extraction and burning of oil at a rate much quicker than it is formed
  - civilian 9y ago
    Hmmm, I can get behind the idea that oil isn't priced appropriately given it's externalities, but I would've focused on CO2, with a carbon tax being the solution, rather than looking at the rate at which oil is reformed.
    - dredmorbius 9y ago
      Time is a factor of production. We are depleting oil reserves at about 5 million times the rate they formed.[1] Corollary: oil price reflects an off-books depletion factor of roughly 5 million-fold. The price is vastly too low. Our fossil fuel consumption translated to present total biomass production (NPP, or the "photosynthetic ceiling"), is a very substantial fraction of all plant growth, I believe about 40%. We currently account for 20% of NPP consumption without utilising biomass as fuel.[1] The history of why extractive natural resources are costed on a labour-required basis only (and some very questionable economic and legal theories support this) is an interesting accident of history, religion, law, geology, business, oil, and more. I've been digging into that, though have further to go. The short answer is that we'd started using the stuff long before we understood its creation, and by the time we understood we pretended not to care.[2] The history of oil price response to overextraction in particular is mesmerising, with the booms at Titusville, Spindletop, and East Texas especially. The latter saw price per barrel fall from a $1 target, to $0.13, and then further to $0.02/bbl, before the national (and effectively global) production quota system managed by, of all organisations, the Texas Railroad Commission, was established in 1931. That lasted until 1972, after which you may be aware oil's price fluctuated somewhat.[3] Similar issues exist for other strategic minerals, as first grasped during WWII, leading to the creation of the Harbord List, now the U.S. Strategic Mineral Reserve.[4] (Oil is also subject to strategic reserves. You may be aware of an incident involving the U.S. Naval Strategic Petroleum Reserve a few years back, the Teapot Dome scandal of the Harding administration.[5]) Until the early 20th century, only direct labour was considered as a cost of production.[6] ________________________________ Notes: 1. https://dge.carnegiescience.edu/DGE/Dukes/Dukes_ClimChange1.pdf https://dge.carnegiescience.edu/DGE/Dukes/Dukes_ClimChange1.... See also https://redd.it/2cvap7 https://redd.it/2cvap7 and https://redd.it/1x9maq https://redd.it/1x9maq 2. Partial expansion here https://redd.it/5w1zw3 https://redd.it/5w1zw3 and here https://redd.it/5rnjg0 https://redd.it/5rnjg0 In particular, the religion and Young Earth Creationist associations are fascinating. 3 Daniel Yergin, The Prize, chapter 13 generally, though also the history of monopolies and cartels: Standard Oil, As-Is Agreement, Seven Sisters, National Producers, OPEC. http://www.worldcat.org/title/prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-money-and-power/oclc/986188094 http://www.worldcat.org/title/prize-the-epic-quest-for-oil-m... For oil price, BP's Annual Statistical Review. See: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4defd684cadcbbe55e0d0000/chart-of-the-day-crude-oil-history-june-2011.jpg http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4defd684cadcbbe55e0... Current report: http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy.html http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/stati... 4. E.g., http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33647.html http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article33647.html 5. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal 6. Alexander Hamilton Church, Production factors in cost accounting and works management, 1910, p. 9. https://archive.org/stream/productionfactor00churrich#page/8/mode/2up https://archive.org/stream/productionfactor00churrich#page/8...
- oasisbob 9y ago
  > Why? Different apples need different climates. That cultivar originated in Australia. It needs a long hot growing season. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cripps_Pink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cripps_Pink
- wordupmaking 9y ago
  And if someone buys a child prostitute, is that the market saying that's the most efficient allocation of resources and the best way for the predator to outlive their dysfunctions? Insert a less polemic example if you want, same point; it's a total non-sequitur. edit: if you can downvote, you can answer the question. I did my fair share of hard thinking about this, I come prepared, so until anyone has anything, this stands, and you'll either have to step up or live with that.
bruce_one 9y ago
I know some cafes (and markets etc) near where I live have started pushing [food miles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_miles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_miles) as a bit of a differentiator (in a similar vein to being 100% organic; eg showing the food miles of goods, or guaranteeing that the food mileage is less than X, etc) which would be the kind of movement that aligns with your concern, if of interest.

tetraodonpuffer 9y ago

Fuji are also good, but yeah, honeycrisp are definitely the tastiest apple I have ever eaten... I was brought up on galas and golden delicious and I had no idea that apples could taste as good as a honeycrisp does

dbg31415 9y ago
Local news to the rescue! (= * Why Honeycrisp apples are so expensive - YouTube || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eQX2vZ_Zg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eQX2vZ_Zg * The Story Behind Honeycrisps, America's First Brand-Name Apple || http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/a20018/honeycrisp-price-explained/ http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/food/a20018/honeycrisp-pri... And look, hope for better apples on the horizon! * Washington Apple Growers Sink Their Teeth Into The New Cosmic Crisp : The Salt : NPR || http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/03/525421226/washington-apple-growers-sink-their-teeth-into-the-new-cosmic-crisp http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/03/525421226/was...
- RangerScience 9y ago
  TL;DR on first link: - They're not hardy (trees need support, apples are thin skinned, and they ripen at different times) - A university holds a patent on the tree (only $1 per tree, tho)
  - EdwardMSmith 9y ago
    The patent and the royalty on Honeycrisp expired in 2008.
    - jdietrich 9y ago
      The University of Michigan blundered by marketing the apple under the varietal name; varietals are considered inherently generic under trademark rules and so ineligible for protection. A Pink Lady apple is actually a Cripps Pink, grown and picked in accordance with certain quality standards. Anyone can sell a Cripps Pink, but only licensees of Brandt's Fruit Trees Inc can sell a Pink Lady.

Para2016 9y ago

The article mentioned that thicker skins on the apples make them less palatable when the interior is soggy/grainy textured. Personally, I like thicker skins but only on Jazz apples, which are tart and sweet. Red delicious are inferior in that the thick skin indeed covers an undesirable mouthful of mush.

mistercow 9y ago
Jazz apples are the only apples I buy anymore. They're a bit hard, but they're also the only apple that I actually have to stop myself from eating too many of. It's a shame that they can be harder to find than Fujis and Honeycrisps, which I find a lot more boring (but still miles better than the Red Delicious), but I think they're becoming a bit more common over time.

grogenaut 9y ago

Try a pacific rose if you like pink ladies.

rpeden 9y ago

They're not always available, but I've found that I like Envy apples almost as much as Honey Crisp. And when they show up in stores, Envy tends to be quire a bit cheaper. Their availability might depend on location, though. I only see them in Toronto for 2-3 months every year.

mc32 9y ago

I have come to like Opal apples. Fujis can be hit or miss insipid.

fencepost 9y ago
The first time I got Opal apples my comment was "this is what Golden Delicious wants to be when it grows up."
imperialdrive 9y ago
Opal apples are incredible - tough to beat. But, they are also hard to find... I heard millions of new trees are being planted to keep up with demand... now I'm craving one just thinking about it.

LordKano 9y ago

As did I. In fact, because of how to felt about Red Delicious apples, I thought that I just didn't like apples until I was in my 30s and tried Granny Smith apples. With the realization that I just hated Red Delicious apples, I tried a few other varieties. I really like Fuji apples too. When a new variety is on sale, sometimes, I like to buy a bag and try them out.

legohead 9y ago

I buy all the different apples for my kids as they show up in the stores. Their personal favorite? Red Delicious.

acchow 9y ago

Always hated red delicious as a kid too. But most stores only carried the 1 kind back then. Some higher end stores had Fuji which I really enjoyed. One day, Royal Gala started showing up and I basically just ate those exclusively until this new wave of "designer Apples"

throwaway7645 9y ago

Honeycrisp is good, but there are a lot of other varieties out there like Envy, Lady Alice, Ambrosia...etc.

seansmccullough 9y ago

Pink Lady apples are awesome!

WhiteOwlLion 9y ago

Rainier Honeycrisp FTW