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I lived in a city that had a revival of its industrial area. There was no parking garage for the new bars and restaurants, so all visitors simply parked in the

I lived in a city that had a revival of its industrial area. There was no parking garage for the new bars and restaurants, so all visitors simply parked in the residents' neighborhoods. Quality of life drastically declined for those residents, and I ended up having to leave due to family members being unable to find parking in under 30 minutes in the evening. Public transit in the city was underfunded so it was only realistic for certain commutes within the city. I have no idea why suburban Cupertino would be worried about this risk; it sounds like an underhanded way to limit occupancy and capacity (you build a 1000-person office instead of 2000, because you had to have extra space for parking).

jseliger 9y ago
There was no parking garage for the new bars and restaurants, so all visitors simply parked in the residents' neighborhoods This is a solved problem: Charge for parking and the shortage goes away. Meter technology is decades old and well understood. https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free-Parking-Updated/dp/193236496X https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free-Parking-Updated/dp/193...
- linkregister 9y ago
  When you become dictator, maybe that will be viable. In the meantime, what sane city council member is going to tell residents they need to pay for parking in front of their own townhouses?
  - valuearb 9y ago
    Everyone would jump on board if the city would just allocate the parking revenues to the home or building owners.
    - linkregister 9y ago
      Where has this successfully been implemented? There's a similar mechanism to what you proposed, resident-only parking permits. This pits the business owners against the residents. It also means that a resident can't have their friends come to visit without risking a ticket. The knee-jerk HN-ism of quick fixes doesn't work here. The only actual solution is the long-term dual-pronged approach: parking structures in the interim, while improving public transit coverage overall.
      - jseliger 9y ago
        Japan, for one: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/the-japanese-zoning-system.html http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/the.... Washington State also makes some zoning decisions and targets some growth targets at the state level (see http://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1728&context=sulr http://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a..., although I can't find a better piece off the top of my head), which helps matters. The only actual solution is the long-term dual-pronged approach: parking structures in the interim, while improving public transit coverage overall. The actual solution is people paying for what they use, i.e. markets: If people want parking structures, they'll pay for them. I'd really suggest that you look at the link in the comment I posted above.
        linkregister 9y ago
        Please don't link-bomb me in order to "win". Explain, with citations. Your Japan link is not applicable to this conversation (though I love that article, it comes up whenever NIMBY stuff is discussed on HN). I consider that arguing in bad faith. Zoning isn't going to magically help residents get parking, nor is it going to provide a place for paying customers to put their cars while eating and drinking. > They'll pay for them Who? The customers would all love to pay for parking, but there wasn't a structure. You're arguing against some point you think I'm making but I'm not.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        Many many cities in Europe. People who live there can park for free, anyone else has to pay a meter. This solves the issues.
        linkregister 9y ago
        1000 people need parking. There are 500 spaces. Paid parking doesn't solve the problem in this instance. The overall effect of paid parking isn't at issue.
        9y ago
  - jpalomaki 9y ago
    Give residents special permits which allow the to park for free. That's how it works here (Helsinki, Finland). Permit is not free, but cheap. It is for specific vehicle and the registered owner needs to live there. There permits are not per street, but the city is divided to several areas.
    - tajen 9y ago
      Resident parking, €20pm in Lyon, France, knowing that the public transport is excellent. I wish they would ban cars entirely in the 500,000ppl area, but you need a car from time to time, when you're pregnant, old, have a sprained ankle or back, need to carry an iMac around or to just get out for a hike in the countryside. Still, one-day pollution permits would be better than taxing only parking.
  - Keyframe 9y ago
    It's common in Europe. Residents get a special (yearly) discount. Road and sidewalk are not property of the house owner.

jseliger 9y ago

There was no parking garage for the new bars and restaurants, so all visitors simply parked in the residents' neighborhoods This is a solved problem: Charge for parking and the shortage goes away. Meter technology is decades old and well understood. https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free-Parking-Updated/dp/193236496X https://www.amazon.com/High-Cost-Free-Parking-Updated/dp/193...

linkregister 9y ago
When you become dictator, maybe that will be viable. In the meantime, what sane city council member is going to tell residents they need to pay for parking in front of their own townhouses?
- valuearb 9y ago
  Everyone would jump on board if the city would just allocate the parking revenues to the home or building owners.
  - linkregister 9y ago
    Where has this successfully been implemented? There's a similar mechanism to what you proposed, resident-only parking permits. This pits the business owners against the residents. It also means that a resident can't have their friends come to visit without risking a ticket. The knee-jerk HN-ism of quick fixes doesn't work here. The only actual solution is the long-term dual-pronged approach: parking structures in the interim, while improving public transit coverage overall.
    - jseliger 9y ago
      Japan, for one: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/the-japanese-zoning-system.html http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/the.... Washington State also makes some zoning decisions and targets some growth targets at the state level (see http://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1728&context=sulr http://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a..., although I can't find a better piece off the top of my head), which helps matters. The only actual solution is the long-term dual-pronged approach: parking structures in the interim, while improving public transit coverage overall. The actual solution is people paying for what they use, i.e. markets: If people want parking structures, they'll pay for them. I'd really suggest that you look at the link in the comment I posted above.
      - linkregister 9y ago
        Please don't link-bomb me in order to "win". Explain, with citations. Your Japan link is not applicable to this conversation (though I love that article, it comes up whenever NIMBY stuff is discussed on HN). I consider that arguing in bad faith. Zoning isn't going to magically help residents get parking, nor is it going to provide a place for paying customers to put their cars while eating and drinking. > They'll pay for them Who? The customers would all love to pay for parking, but there wasn't a structure. You're arguing against some point you think I'm making but I'm not.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      Many many cities in Europe. People who live there can park for free, anyone else has to pay a meter. This solves the issues.
      - linkregister 9y ago
        1000 people need parking. There are 500 spaces. Paid parking doesn't solve the problem in this instance. The overall effect of paid parking isn't at issue.
        9y ago
- jpalomaki 9y ago
  Give residents special permits which allow the to park for free. That's how it works here (Helsinki, Finland). Permit is not free, but cheap. It is for specific vehicle and the registered owner needs to live there. There permits are not per street, but the city is divided to several areas.
  - tajen 9y ago
    Resident parking, €20pm in Lyon, France, knowing that the public transport is excellent. I wish they would ban cars entirely in the 500,000ppl area, but you need a car from time to time, when you're pregnant, old, have a sprained ankle or back, need to carry an iMac around or to just get out for a hike in the countryside. Still, one-day pollution permits would be better than taxing only parking.
- Keyframe 9y ago
  It's common in Europe. Residents get a special (yearly) discount. Road and sidewalk are not property of the house owner.